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Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by komon »

imustbeevil wrote: post #55
bmelton wrote: post #26

I've tried (and failed) to delete my Facebook a couple times in the past, so this most recent go, when I quit using Facebook, I just quit using Facebook -- I uninstalled the apps from my phone, and mapped 'facebook.com' to localhost in my /etc/hosts files. The result was... amusing. Facebook kept emailing me the "Hey, did you see what so and so posted?" emails, knowing full well that I didn't see them. But then, afte…

This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.

Anecdote incoming: I've turned off every notification setting possible on my Facebook account. The issue is that every time they add a new notification "feature" it seems like they flip all of them back on again. All as if to say, "Everybody wants a daily/weekly rollup of what happened on Facebook! Subscribe everybody by default!"

So I feel the GP's pain, I've taken to marking them as spam as well because I know that my settings aren't guaranteed to stay where they are. It's not even in Facebook's best interest to try and keep my notification settings where they are.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by avh02 »

yeukhon wrote: post #41
bmelton wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not expect them to ramp up the amount of notification spam 100-fold as I engage with the service less. I've no intention of logging back in to check my notification settings, but when I was using Facebook, I would get a push notification maybe once or twice every couple of days. Now, I get more than a dozen SMS messages a day. I've built notification systems in the past, and in every instance, respecting the fa…

Hmm that is odd. I get the phone notification because I had thst problem if I didn’t remove the app and if I haven’t been on facebook for more than a day. I think the “user is idle let’s poke the user” is a supposedly a “nice” user engagement to get users back on the system. I hear your concern. I think at this point: * opt out notifications before deactivate your account (go to account settings) * deactivate and opt…

Sounds like you could benefit (to some extent except ignoring certain inboxes) from a custom email domain and enabling catch-all. I use this in order to segregate people(services mainly) sending me emails to different addresses that I don't have to manually create (but can easily block/disable an entire address)

The only major issue I've had, with gsuite at least, is not being able to reply from one of the not-actually-existent addresses on my domain.

Re: Facebook Lies

#83

Post by Xeoncross »

> If it’s still not gone, I hear you can just post obscene and offensive material until Facebook deletes you. I’d rather not have to take that route though.

I honestly never thought about that. Spammer accounts often are cleaned up pretty well.

Re: Facebook Lies

#84

Post by [deleted] »

dahart wrote: post #71
cowsandmilk wrote: post #68

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> It's weird to expect that deleting your account will result in the account being deleted and notifications for the account you no longer have to go away? But the person above just stopped using their account, didn't delete it (or disable it, which is what facebook sends you on the path towards), so that is why the notifications continued. They still had an active account, just hadn't logged in for some time.

Yes, but the person above only had an account to stop using because Facebook wouldn't delete it when asked, similar to the OP's post. Reasonable / normal expectation is that notifications should have stopped the first time.

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Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by NikolaeVarius »

komon wrote: post #81
imustbeevil wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a weird thing to think. You can turn off all notifications and they'll never contact you, ever. I stopped using Facebook 6 years ago and haven't gotten a single email / sms from them since then, because I used the settings properly. Yeah, if you just ghost them and never click "update your email settings" at the bottom of every email they send, they'll keep sending them.

Anecdote incoming: I've turned off every notification setting possible on my Facebook account. The issue is that every time they add a new notification "feature" it seems like they flip all of them back on again. All as if to say, "Everybody wants a daily/weekly rollup of what happened on Facebook! Subscribe everybody by default!" So I feel the GP's pain, I've taken to marking them as spam as well because I know that…

I've had notifications disabled for at least a year and have never had this happen.

Re: Facebook Lies

#86

Post by IshKebab »

dublinben wrote: post #31
IshKebab wrote: post #25

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Really annoyingly though they don't provide the hashes. I'd really like to know which passwords have been leaked. Does anyone know of a similar site that provides hashes? I don't need the complete list - just the hashes for my email.

What you're asking for is basically the full details of the data breach, which can be directly used to compromise accounts. You're not going to get that for free anywhere. You can check your own passwords (hashes recommended) through their new Password service. https://haveibeenpwned.com/Passwords

Ah yes, type all my passwords into a third party network. I thought this was a site about good security.

Also why wouldn't I get the full details for free anywhere? HIBP obviously has them. Criminals have them. I bet it isn't that hard to find them on bittorrent.

In fact, here they are: https://hashes.org/public.php

Edit: Although that doesn't match them up with usernames, so it's not entirely useful.

Edit 2: In fact I just discovered that a long password I used to use is still in the 'not cracked' category of the Last.fm leak (unsurprising since it is 13 random alphanumeric characters). That is useful information.

Re: Facebook Lies

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Post by wpietri »

imustbeevil wrote: post #80
wpietri wrote: post #76

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Is it? "I'll leave them alone and they'll leave me alone" seems like a pretty normal thing to think. Me, I think it's weird to think: "It's perfectly reasonable that if you once give somebody your email they will bother you until the end of time unless you jump through any arbitrary hoops they set up."

If every email they send has an unsubscribe link and you don't click it, you're kind of losing the reasonable grounds to expect them to stop emailing you. I've done this before, just let myself keep getting emails and hoped they stopped. Then I just clicked all of the unsubscribe links they are legally required to put in every email, and I never got an email again. You don't have to hope for what you want, you can ac…

I understand that's the culture we've established. If a company has your address, it is currently acceptable for them to send you infinite electronic marketing nonsense in an attempt to manipulate you into being a profitable resource for them.

My point is that it's not how it normally works with humans. If a person did this, it would be creepy and controlling. But when a group of people does it because it might make them money, it's ok to blame the person they're bothering.

I get your perspective and agree that it is, for the moment, the dominant one. I just disagree that it's weird to think otherwise.

Re: Facebook Lies

#88

Post by owly »

I deleted my account years ago. At the time there was a web plugin which could be used to automate the deletion of all posts, pictures, etc. I wonder if there is a tool to do this now as I'm sure FB has cracked down on automated deletion of content.

Re: Facebook Lies

#89

Post by wiredfool »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #85
komon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdote incoming: I've turned off every notification setting possible on my Facebook account. The issue is that every time they add a new notification "feature" it seems like they flip all of them back on again. All as if to say, "Everybody wants a daily/weekly rollup of what happened on Facebook! Subscribe everybody by default!" So I feel the GP's pain, I've taken to marking them as spam as well because I know that…

I've had notifications disabled for at least a year and have never had this happen.

They're probably A/B testing it, and you're the control group.

Re: Facebook Lies

#90

Post by ydt »

Insanity wrote: post #12
nneonneo wrote: post #3

Have they always had such a 14-day policy? If not, it’s entirely possible that the policy was different when the account was previously deleted, and the account was being retained under that old policy. I’m also surprised that his hacker didn’t bother changing his password - maybe it wasn’t intended to be an account takeover.

Conspiracy theory: It was facebook pretending to hack is account so he would log back in and hopefully stay using the service. But OT: I'm sure that unless they are legally forced to remove the data, they'd rather keep it.

I briefly had a Facebook account years ago before deciding I didn't like it. I deleted/deactivated my account. About 6 months ago I received an email saying that 'someone' had reactivated my account and that if it wasn't me I should log in and visit the help center. My old password still worked and there had been no activity. I strongly suspect this was an attempt by FB to get me back on board.
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