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Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by thatfrenchguy »

sametmax wrote: post #70
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Not sure we should be giving advice. Our situation has worsen during the last 15 years. The quality of food is going down (and the prices for good food up), the health habits are too. Not in the same proportion of the US yet, but it's significant. Compared to my parents or grand parent generation, the new ones: - spend much more time seated; - spend much more time in front of a screen; - have much less people knowing…

Source here ?

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Mz »

sametmax wrote: post #74
Mz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everyone in the US is a prisoner of their car. Our built environment presumes that you have a car. We make it very challenging to live without one. And then we have to listen to Stephen Hawking be judgy about how we "choose" to not be active, which he can't understand from his wheelchair. Most Americans are confined to a wheeled chair for many hours a week. We just call it a car, but good luck getting free of…

Half of the problem is not the infrastructure, but peoples priorities and the public perception of the pros/cons of a car. Also the value of the car as a symbol. A couple will make 3 kids and say "I can't do without a car". But the couple never ponder the cost of making a family. The fact or having a car or not, and other matters of life style, are an after thoughs. And if you raise the issue, you are a cold robot fo…

The vast majority of human babies are the result of either "Whoops! Babies happen!" or "We tried for years for this one!" The families that try for years tend to have one or two kids, not three or more. The people with many children who complain of being trapped typically have a lot of other things going on that lead to them having too little control over their lives.

I am super uncomfortable with statements that suggest people just need to exercise some self control and stop cranking out babies. That position is incredibly dismissive of very complex issues, including lack of access to health care in the US. Historically, health insurance that paid for Viagra did not pay for female birth control. We have this underlying assumption that men have a right to get laid, even if they need chemical help to get it up, but women do not. Yet, most of those men are getting laid with women, not with other men.

Questions of reproduction and sexual morality are incredibly complex and a very touchy subject because when two people have sex where the result may be a child, there are a great many people impacted. It isn't as simple as her rights vs his. The rights of the child are an issue, but so are the rights of the rest of society.

It really isn't a discussion I care to see injected here.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by DanBC »

VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

> Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year

> (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 )

treatment for anorexia has got very much better. It used to kill about 20% of people with the diagnosis. More people get full recovery than used to, and more people live long term (either maintaining low weight, or relapsing & remitting) with anorexia.

But, also, deaths from anorexia are often coded as something else.

EG https://twitter.com/MaskedAMHP/status/910465836170846208

https://twitter.com/AgnesAyton/status/913722609610760192

etc.

http://content.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB21748

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by chiefalchemist »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29
VirtualAirwaves wrote: post #20

In the United States, Obesity is one of the leading causes of death, with estimates as high as 300,000 deaths/year. (See https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html ) Deaths from Anorexia are about 150/year (See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11513012 ) Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. It would be like spending weeks in urban schools talking about how to avoid poison…

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

Yes and no. I live in the USA. I shop in a few different supermarket each catering to a particular class (if you will). Mind you, the overall selection reflects the income level the store serves. But that doesn't completely explain what goes into the carts.

Long to short, I'm not so sure the less well to do are making decisions that keep them healthy. Soda, ice cream, sugary cereals, etc. These things are in the upper class stores aw well, but it seem less people are interested.

I agree with you. But I want to added that the consumers' choices factor in as well.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by slowmovintarget »

jdavis703 wrote: post #51
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

The food we have in the U.S., particularly in low-income areas is atrocious. However there are a lot of excuses being made about obesity, including that it's caused by poverty. Yes poverty is a component, but the obesity epidemic is striking all income groups, with no particular correlation to income [0]. It's more about the diet and exercise choices that people choose to make, include the middle class and upper clas…

Bad food, far too little sleep, and sedentia... the perfect trifecta to cause depression, anxiety and obesity (and later diabetes, heart disease and Alzheimers).

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Mz »

cyphar wrote: post #73
Mz wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet we're all hypersensitive about telling women they are overweight or obese. One of the reasons for this is that women don't really get told they should work on their fitness to improve their own quality of life. The framing is almost always that the only real value a woman has is as a sex object. Telling women they need to lose weight is also a blame game where people with relatively little control over their live…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health? The statistics are indisputable, being obese causes permanent damage to your body and reduces both the quality and length of your life. Wanting someone to frame this differently is a bit of an odd complaint. I also used to be obese, and I also made my own decision to become healthy. I don't think you can force someone to become healthier, but I doubt t…

Or maybe some people legitimately were concerned for your health?

I know the motives of the judgy people who were a part of my life better than you do.

This kind of comment really should just never happen. In one sentence, you are casually dismissing conclusions about my own life that have taken me decades to arrive at.

Also, GP was pointing out the double standard when it comes to how anorexia and obesity are treated by society.

The article is about France, not the US. The observation that Americans are oversensitive about this could be deemed "off topic." The article lays out the completely valid reasons why France is concerned about a) excessive emphasis on thinness in its country and b) photos not simply lying to you about how people look.

Really, it is kind of BS to act like there is something wrong with requiring a two word label notifying you that the photo has been retouched. We are inundated daily with endless photos. Knowing which are legitimate representations of what actual people look like vs photo shopped fantasy bull seems like a completely valid desire for a long list of reasons.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by Simon_says »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #81
sametmax wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure we should be giving advice. Our situation has worsen during the last 15 years. The quality of food is going down (and the prices for good food up), the health habits are too. Not in the same proportion of the US yet, but it's significant. Compared to my parents or grand parent generation, the new ones: - spend much more time seated; - spend much more time in front of a screen; - have much less people knowing…

Source here ?

Source: I know it. You know it. Everybody knows it.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by chiefalchemist »

jdavis703 wrote: post #51
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a French person: stop subsidizing corn, start subsidizing vegetables, stop eating take-out. If you look at a middle-class supermarket in France and in the US you understand why your poor are obese pretty quickly.

The food we have in the U.S., particularly in low-income areas is atrocious. However there are a lot of excuses being made about obesity, including that it's caused by poverty. Yes poverty is a component, but the obesity epidemic is striking all income groups, with no particular correlation to income [0]. It's more about the diet and exercise choices that people choose to make, include the middle class and upper clas…

Its effecting all income levels, but I suspect not evenly. The pattern I see (which is anecdotal) is higher income people appear healthier (i.e., are on average less overweight).

Sometimes I wonder if that's cause or correlation. That is, ill and wealthy just don't go together.

Re: Is she Photoshopped? In France, they now have to tell you

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

sametmax wrote: post #74
Mz wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost everyone in the US is a prisoner of their car. Our built environment presumes that you have a car. We make it very challenging to live without one. And then we have to listen to Stephen Hawking be judgy about how we "choose" to not be active, which he can't understand from his wheelchair. Most Americans are confined to a wheeled chair for many hours a week. We just call it a car, but good luck getting free of…

Half of the problem is not the infrastructure, but peoples priorities and the public perception of the pros/cons of a car. Also the value of the car as a symbol. A couple will make 3 kids and say "I can't do without a car". But the couple never ponder the cost of making a family. The fact or having a car or not, and other matters of life style, are an after thoughs. And if you raise the issue, you are a cold robot fo…

A couple will make 3 kids and say "I can't do without a car". But the couple never ponder the cost of making a family.

This is simply mistaken. The cost of making a family is nearly always what people are thinking about in that situation.

If you're saying that people aren't careful enough when they have sex, then yeah, that's always been a problem. But what's to be done? The kids exist now and you need to provide for them. Now what?

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