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Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Why does anyone care what Snowden thinks about crypto currency? He was a SharePoint administrator. I don't understand why his opinion is relevant. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for his sacrifice, and I think he deserves to be pardoned.

Do you have any comments on the actual content of the article?

It's fun to question the author, but it's unclear if you actually read it.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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I thought it was reasonably widely believed that he took the job at the NSA specifically so he could figure out what they were doing wrong and leak it.

It isn't just "widely believed", it is something he admitted to doing. I am not sure why you are being downvoted for saying it. >For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency's secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media. >"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of mac…

This is only saying he sought to seek more once he had decided to whistle blow. It isn't like the Booz job was his first job with the NSA

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Yeah sure, people believe what they want to believe. Or we could just accept that until 2013 he was just another wheel in the giant machinery that is the NSA and that his morals changed - for whatever reason. But he was with the bad guys.

> Yeah sure, people believe what they want to believe. Or we could just accept that until 2013 he was just another wheel in the giant machinery that is the NSA and that his morals changed - for whatever reason. His motives and how he ultimately ended up leaking information is well documented in the 2014 documentary Citizenfour [1] and the 2016 movie Snowden [2]. > But he was with the bad guys. Are there shades of gre…

His motives? He worked happily for the CIA from 2007 - 2009. Then he worked for Booz Allen Hamilton/NSA from 2009 to 2013. That's seven years of employment in the security-industrial complex. Was he playing the long game then?

>"Its impossible to care about security as NSA employee?"

I don't think the question is security but privacy and no, it's hard to imagine sincerely caring about other's privacy and working for an organization that regularly disrespects it as a matter of course.

Documentaries like autobiographies are often a vehicle for revisionist history. In regards to [2], Hollyood is not really considered a good source of historical accuracy.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Why does anyone care what Snowden thinks about crypto currency? He was a SharePoint administrator. I don't understand why his opinion is relevant. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for his sacrifice, and I think he deserves to be pardoned.

He has experience with how well metadata is being utilized to control popular opinion. He's since become President of https://freedom.press/about

I was a highschool student; that isn't a relevant argument to dismiss my opinion on any topic

Granted a relevant argument will be separate from my identity, but while we're in ad hominem we might as well defend this article's plea to authority fallacy

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Why does anyone care what Snowden thinks about crypto currency? He was a SharePoint administrator. I don't understand why his opinion is relevant. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful for his sacrifice, and I think he deserves to be pardoned.

We got russian bots on hackernews now?

Yea, I’m not sure why this was posted either. Russian bots aren’t the craziest proposition; they certainly don’t dislike Snowden’s PR.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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It isn't just "widely believed", it is something he admitted to doing. I am not sure why you are being downvoted for saying it. >For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency's secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media. >"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of mac…

This is only saying he sought to seek more once he had decided to whistle blow. It isn't like the Booz job was his first job with the NSA

The next sentence in that linked article states the documents leaked were from Booz Allen. He didn't have any proof to leak until he took the job. Therefore "he took the job at [Booz Allen] specifically so he could figure out what they were doing wrong and leak it." That is a fact. We don't know when he became intent on trying to whistleblow and whether it was while he was with the CIA or Dell, but it was clearly before working at Booz Allen. He never worked directly at the NSA.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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>"Before he was known for the NSA leaks he was still a privacy activist ..." So he was a privacy activist while he worked at the NSA? Isn't this a bit like being a healthcare activist and working for McDonalds?

Except a healthcare activist has poorer options to make a difference at McDonalds...

They can make strong arguments to consumers that they should spend their money elsewhere.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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Before he was known for the NSA leaks he was still a privacy activist who helped teach people about cryptography. It's not totally unrelated, especially since Zcash's selling point is that it offers more privacy than Bitcoin. https://www.forbes.com/sites/runasandvik/2014/05/27/that-one...

ZCash is only as secure as you trust 9 people and their ceremony. There's gotta be a way to do consensus about zero-knowledge proofs that's a little more... you know ... decentralized. https://petertodd.org/2016/cypherpunk-desert-bus-zcash-trust... https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6a26rh/peter_todd_h... Before you guys start saying, banks don't trust Bitcoin either because transactions are controlled by like…

No, it's even worse than that right now: https://petertodd.org/2016/cypherpunk-desert-bus-zcash-trust...

The software those people ran is a single point of failure that hasn't been properly audited. As one of those people, all I know is I attempted to faithfully run a DVD image; I have no idea if that DVD image was backdoored.

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> There is no known scheme that has similar properties but non-trusted setup. There's not a proof that it's impossible either, so something might get invented. But at the moment, no. Already invented. It's called MimbleWimble.

... that's a system with entirely different properties.

And? It provides privacy.

Re: Edward Snowden: Zcash Is 'Most Interesting Bitcoin Alternative'

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For those of you who are down voting, perhaps you could explain why this case might be different from any other value hype. What happened to trust no one--verify?

Its different because Snowden has credibility. He didn't receive any money for the movie Snowden (it was donated to The Guardian instead) [1]. He didn't sell any of the NSA data. He doesn't have a track record of profiting, apart from working (like we all do) and receiving some donations. So the claim that Snowden is a proponent of Zcash because he has invested in it has no merit. There is zero proof for such stateme…

>So the claim that Snowden is a proponent of Zcash because he has invested in it has no merit.

Maybe you're using hyperbole. The /suspicion/ at least, has plenty of merit. I agree that doing something like that would go against his track record, but believing a subjective statement on face value doesn't keep that track record intact (except in your own mind, maybe).

I trust Snowden's opinion as much as anyone here, but you can't ignore basic precautions simply because someone is popular for "the right reasons".

I very much think that Mr. Snowden would agree with my frame of mind on this. You may disagree.

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