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We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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He saves us time that's why.

If your time was that valuable, you wouldn't be reading HN right now.

Blindly working heads down in an industry you know nothing about because you don't stay up-to-date isn't a good use of your time, either.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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A quick google reveals this: http://www.cultofmac.com/steve-jobs-weras-a-tie/1566

Also, Steve wearing a tux at the 2010 Academy Awards: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/03/08/steve-jobs-big-night-... For what it’s worth, the dramatic quote is attributed to “one of Jobs’ deputies,” rather than Steve himself.

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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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If your time was that valuable, you wouldn't be reading HN right now.

Blindly working heads down in an industry you know nothing about because you don't stay up-to-date isn't a good use of your time, either.

Of course it isn't, but there are many ways to stay up to date more time-efficient than HN and DF if you care primarily about the time expenditure.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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I don't normally like Apple, but I like their attitude here. Why should they wear certain clothes to a meeting with AT&T? Who cares what AT&T thinks of Apple!? If AT&T passes on Apple, Verizon or Sprint or T-Mobile would pick them up in a heartbeat. The only reason AT&T is still in business is because of Apple. Fuck wearing a suit! I'm shocked to hear that AT&T is not showering Apple's execs with expensive champagne…

AT&T is gladly functioning as a punching bag for Apple. The phone-contract tie-in has been an enormous revenue driver for AT&T. The biggest shakeup in the wireless industry will happen when Apple moves forward and releases devices that work on other wireless carriers. Example: if a Verizon Iphone actually hits the market, the shift will be enormous. I suggest it would be a tectonic shift in the wireless industry's pr…

The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described.

Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that:

- All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon.

- Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service will be much better after the high usage people leave.

- Their high-profit business customers get happier since they get the benefit of all the iPhone-driven network upgrades without actually having all those iPhones around to kill the network.

- They get a chance to throw marketing money at pulling in Android customers, which right now has a higher volume and better terms for carriers (better share of revenue, lower handset subsidy) than the iPhone anyway.

Of course it could also end up being awful for AT&T. Or it could wind up being generally neutral. Certainly losing exclusivity in the UK doesn't seem to have killed off O2.

To get a 'tectonic shift' I think it would be necessary for Apple to start selling unlocked, cross-network devices only with no subsidized options. But they have shown no desire to do that to date - they pretty much had to be forced to do so in the parts of the EU where it's a legal requirement.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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AT&T is gladly functioning as a punching bag for Apple. The phone-contract tie-in has been an enormous revenue driver for AT&T. The biggest shakeup in the wireless industry will happen when Apple moves forward and releases devices that work on other wireless carriers. Example: if a Verizon Iphone actually hits the market, the shift will be enormous. I suggest it would be a tectonic shift in the wireless industry's pr…

The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described. Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that: - All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon. - Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service w…

Why are high-usage users "low profit"? They charge you money for every megabyte of data you use and every minute you are on the phone.

Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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AT&T is gladly functioning as a punching bag for Apple. The phone-contract tie-in has been an enormous revenue driver for AT&T. The biggest shakeup in the wireless industry will happen when Apple moves forward and releases devices that work on other wireless carriers. Example: if a Verizon Iphone actually hits the market, the shift will be enormous. I suggest it would be a tectonic shift in the wireless industry's pr…

The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described. Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that: - All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon. - Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service w…

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Re: We’re Apple. We don’t wear suits. We don’t even own suits.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AT&T is gladly functioning as a punching bag for Apple. The phone-contract tie-in has been an enormous revenue driver for AT&T. The biggest shakeup in the wireless industry will happen when Apple moves forward and releases devices that work on other wireless carriers. Example: if a Verizon Iphone actually hits the market, the shift will be enormous. I suggest it would be a tectonic shift in the wireless industry's pr…

The phone industry is way too complicated to be able to assume that cause and effect can be simply described. Losing the iPhone exclusivity might actually end up being good for AT&T. One possible mechanism to explain that: - All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon. - Their generally oblivious, high ARPU, low usage customers don't bother to switch... especially since their service w…

"- All their high usage, low profit (and vocal) iPhone customers go to Verizon."

That's not necessarily a good thing. Where the leaders of tech go, others tend to follow. Especially since in-network calling saves you on minutes.

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