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Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by vorpalhex »

aesthetics1 wrote: post #66

This seems aimed squarely at VSCode. VSCode does a lot of this now out of the box (or with a few extensions). I think Atom is really just trying to keep up. I personally do not believe they have the horsepower to compete with Microsoft here though. VSCode is a phenomenal product.

I've always chosen Atom over VSCode because I don't want these features. Autocomplete even on really expensive IDEs runs way to slow, clever auto formatting and it's ilk tend to not work well for me at all, and I dislike the overbearing project management features in most IDEs.

I want a text editor that vaguely understands code with some simple file browsing and plug and play extensions. Atom trying to become VSCode isn't beneficial here at all.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by vorpalhex »

jamescostian wrote: post #7

In my opinion, this is how IDEs should be - make something better described as a text editor (like a fresh install of vim, sublime, or atom), and allow users to add more things to the light-weight(ish?) base. So many IDEs are overkill. Text editors with the right plugins can accomplish the same things but also be much more lightweight, and help you achieve a balance between "IDE" and "text editor"

Text editors and IDEs are different ends of the spectrum. IDEs present a feature rich and often opinionated dev environment while text editors are, well, editors for text like content.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by yodsanklai »

hacker_9 wrote: post #21
Tenobrus wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs with various extensions as their development environment. It allows the same editing experience across multiple languages. A consistent interface, lack of need for learning many (often very different) IDEs, less proprietary annoyance, many many more options for customization, much easier to port your setup to various platforms, etc. Admittedly I don't think At…

But that's what I mean - we already have Emacs/Vim, with their million of extensions, which are always going to be faster. Outside of that we have Visual Studio, IntelliJ, PyCharm, the list goes on. All downloadable for free.

> we already have Emacs/Vim, with their million of extensions

My experience is that Vim is hard to use when you start to add too many extensions. There are just too many shortcuts to remember, plugins may interact in unexpected ways, and things like contextual information don't look as nice as they could. It just feels very 'hacky' to try to use it as an IDE.

I prefer to use more recent editors (first Sublime, but I'm sold to VSCode now) that are better suited to modern display and usages. I still use vim mode but I'm not even sure I'm really more productive with it. Sometimes I wonder if I shouldn't focus on just using mac os default binding.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by philosopherlawr »

Unlike lots of the posters here, I see a real need for an IDE that's completely free. I have used Eclipse and IntelliJ, and the bloat/bug/setup process in them is incredibly painful. However, I don't know if we're just going to add those problems into atom instead of what makes atom awesome - easy package management, fast text editing - and remove it.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by dkersten »

Tenobrus wrote: post #13
hacker_9 wrote: post #10

Honestly can't see why I'd use this - I have all the professional grade IDEs I need, why do I need one that is written in JS, is slower and consumes 5x more memory? Not to mention IDEs already have their own extension stores too. This seems like an 'IDE-lite', which doesn't make much sense in a world where professional grade IDEs are free.

The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs with various extensions as their development environment. It allows the same editing experience across multiple languages. A consistent interface, lack of need for learning many (often very different) IDEs, less proprietary annoyance, many many more options for customization, much easier to port your setup to various platforms, etc. Admittedly I don't think At…

> The same reason thousands of programmers use Vim or Emacs

Vim/emacs give a better experience though: they work in a terminal/over ssh and they are FAST and lightweight (memory use). Atom has neither of these properties.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by noir_lord »

kllrnohj wrote: post #78
tootie wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's less relevant than it used to be. JetBrains is now the de facto best IDE for Java, JavaScript, Python and PHP. It has Android Studio and even support for C#. Visual Studio also supports a wide array of languages. I'm in IntelliJ pretty much all the time, no matter the project.

IntelliJ is expensive if you want languages not covered by the free edition (like JavaScript), though, and even if you pay for it some things are frustratingly distinct such as if you have a Java/C++ app you need two different "IDEs" (CLion + IntelliJ), and you need to then juggle between those windows. Android Studio is able to work with both even though IntelliJ Ultimate isn't (why, Jetbrains, why!?), but getting A…

Intellij Ultimate costs me £14 a month, with the plugins (which makes it equivalent to Phpstorm, PyCharm, Rubymine and Webstorm) thats less than I spend on coffee in two weeks, it's insane value however you look at it.

That said I still spend a chunk of time (maybe 30%) in vscode because for somethings I prefer it (it's git support with git lens is incredible) and for TypeScript it's comparable to Intellij with the advantage you can start it, do an edit and close before Intellij has finished re-indexing.

Re: Introducing Atom-IDE

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Post by wz1000 »

cletus wrote: post #61
jamescostian wrote: post #7

In my opinion, this is how IDEs should be - make something better described as a text editor (like a fresh install of vim, sublime, or atom), and allow users to add more things to the light-weight(ish?) base. So many IDEs are overkill. Text editors with the right plugins can accomplish the same things but also be much more lightweight, and help you achieve a balance between "IDE" and "text editor"

Sorry but not only could I not disagree more but you're demonstrably incorrect. Anyone who says a text editor "can accomplish the same things [as an IDE]" just doesn't know how to use an IDE. The text editor vs IDE difference is the difference between using regexes and a lexer/parser to read, analyze and manipulate source code. The amount of effort I see people put into configuring their .vimrc or .emacs files to get…

This uses the language server protocol, so the work of "understanding" the code is delegated to another tool, which usually uses a compiler(or equivalent) to perform semantic analysis. So no regex hacks etc. if you use a sane language server.
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