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Re: Moving Java Forward Faster

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Post by bitmapbrother » Fri, Sep 08, 2017, 8:28 PM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #77

bitmapbrother wrote: post #74

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Why would they waste their time when Sun/Oracle couldn't even figure it out to this day.

Sun had it figured out and was even sponsoring SavaJe OS, but then Google ripped off their work and gave it away for free.

No Sun did not have it figured out and history has proven this. Sun just couldn't compete from a technology perspective because no OEM was going to choose a vastly inferior OS.

BTW, here's a picture of your SavaJe phone. No wonder OEM's fled in horror.

https://www.engadget.com/2006/05/13/savaje-releases-jasper-s...

Re: Moving Java Forward Faster

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Post by bitmapbrother » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 4:40 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #78

bitmapbrother wrote: post #73

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No, those Java phones don't exist because they were a failure. Court documents even revealed that Oracle gave up trying to build one.

A failure thanks to Google stealing Sun's work. And in any case, market failure is not an excuse to steal someone's else work, by not licensing it like every other company was doing at the time, and still are. Google is the only notable exception.

Since when is using 38 Java API open source declaration packages considered stealing? It's not except to the people that are upset that Oracle lost repeatedly in court. The courts have spoken. It's time to move on so perhaps you should too.

Re: Moving Java Forward Faster

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Post by pjmlp » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 7:03 AM UTC

bitmapbrother wrote: post #81

pjmlp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sun had it figured out and was even sponsoring SavaJe OS, but then Google ripped off their work and gave it away for free.

No Sun did not have it figured out and history has proven this. Sun just couldn't compete from a technology perspective because no OEM was going to choose a vastly inferior OS. BTW, here's a picture of your SavaJe phone. No wonder OEM's fled in horror. https://www.engadget.com/2006/05/13/savaje-releases-jasper-s...

The phone was quite nice, when comparing with many of the Nokia and Siemens Ericson phones of those days.

It is easy to fail when a competitor is giving away for free a stolen OS.

Of course OEMs will choose free.

Re: Moving Java Forward Faster

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Post by bitmapbrother » Sat, Sep 09, 2017, 7:42 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #83

bitmapbrother wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No Sun did not have it figured out and history has proven this. Sun just couldn't compete from a technology perspective because no OEM was going to choose a vastly inferior OS. BTW, here's a picture of your SavaJe phone. No wonder OEM's fled in horror. https://www.engadget.com/2006/05/13/savaje-releases-jasper-s...

The phone was quite nice, when comparing with many of the Nokia and Siemens Ericson phones of those days. It is easy to fail when a competitor is giving away for free a stolen OS. Of course OEMs will choose free.

Stolen OS LOL. Just when you think the BS couldn't be piled any higher you take it to another level. Why would you say something as embarrassing as this?

If you think using 38 open source Java API declaration packages constitutes an OS then you clearly have no idea as to what an OS is.

>Of course OEMs will choose free.

Is that why they also chose Windows Phone?