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To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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What incentive would anyone have in making more then 400K a year if you were going to be taxed at 90%?

You get to keep 10%. Or you can give the money to charities.

We talk all your things. You get to keep 10%. You should be glad we didn't kill your wife too.

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What incentive would anyone have in making more then 400K a year if you were going to be taxed at 90%?

Why would anyone need more than 400k a year for himself in the first place though ?

That's like if you had two cars and the government took one of them. "What do you need two cars for?"

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The article fails to mention Amazon, which does still have plenty of non-outsourced blue collar jobs. I doubt there is a lot of the kind of upward mobility at amazon for them that there was for the Kodak janitor in the 80s, though.

Keep in mind, though, that Amazon is doing everything it can to automate most of those blue collar jobs (warehouse robots, delivery drones, etc.). That workforce has a very limited shelf life.

As they should be, if they want to continue to exist.

Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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Devil's advocate: there is an upside here. Come economic downturns, companies can mitigate layoffs by choosing not to renew contracts. It means that those who planned for stability (full time employees) are more likely to get it, e.g., start a family, take out a mortgage, etc. Those expecting turbulence can avoid long-term commitments.

Yay! Then the companies (i.e. the executives) are fine and everyone else can just rot without a job.

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Entirely irrelevant to the content of the article, but is there a solution to the problematic interaction between sticky headers and full-page scrolling? At least in Firefox, if you press Space or PageDown (to scroll down a "page"), on the linked article, you'll lose several lines of the text, as they're obscured by the header. Illustrating: Chrome isn't afflicted by this (on the linked article), due to the fact that…

There's a bookmarklet around Google that removes fixes headers.

Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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post #83
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone need more than 400k a year for himself in the first place though ?

That's like if you had two cars and the government took one of them. "What do you need two cars for?"

No, it would be like I had three big houses, two boats, and 10 cars. What do I need half of this for?

Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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It sounds like the real reason for inequality is that the pay for "janitorial work" has simply decreased. The article makes a point to say that the pay is the same, accounting for inflation, but it's disingenuous not to highlight total comp, which Ramos had significantly less of than Evans.

The reason for inequality is that people are not equal. The work they do produce is not equal in value. More people can do a janitor's job, and/or do without a janitor, so the value of a janitor's work is less. More supply, elastic demand, means lower price point. Through technology, some people are able to produce much more than others, so inequality is inevitable unless there is a balancing force (aka taxation).

Mimnimum wages, mandatory health insurance / vacation, ...

All the things every country in the world does except one.

Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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Gail Evans worked as a janitor at Kodak in the 1980s. "She received more than four weeks of paid vacation per year, reimbursement of some tuition costs to go to college part time, and a bonus payment every March... A manager learned that Ms. Evans was taking computer classes while she was working as a janitor and asked her to teach some other employees how to use spreadsheet software to track inventory... Less than a…

This is why it's so upsetting that companies in Silicon Valley (Google, Facebook, Apple, all of them) hire cooks/janitors/bus drivers/etc from 3rd party companies and offer them none of the benefits their full employees get. Just doing that would be a huge pipeline, and would play no small part in addressing the diversity problem they all claim to be preoccupied with (but don't do much about).

Re: To Understand Rising Inequality, Consider Janitors

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post #83
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would anyone need more than 400k a year for himself in the first place though ?

That's like if you had two cars and the government took one of them. "What do you need two cars for?"

More like if you had 40 cars and the government said they were going to charge you 90% tax for your 41st.

In other words, nothing like that.

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