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Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Avoiding the sentiment of the other comments here (which are not completely confusing, but nonetheless a little over my head), I have a practical question: How does one relate to and incentivize the Chinese people, then? Where are good places to start learning more? Context/example: I'm tentatively interested in approaching China from a "hobbyist with a tiny bit of money" standpoint. I want to do limited runs (3 to 4…

>How does one relate to and incentivize the Chinese people, then?

Guanxi, guanxi, guanxi.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#82
post #30
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it's not true everywhere. Most of us have known plenty of Chinese engineers who are unafraid to report bugs and suggest solutions. But in the broad sense you mean: yeah, kinda. Chinese companies (in the PRC in particular of course, but also outfits the stem from Hong Kong and Taiwan) tend not to be particularly innovative. It's a lagging market, filled with well-implemented but fundamentally cloned products fi…

Samsung is a strange choice of example. It also mostly follows a "well made clone" business model and Korean work culture isn't much different from Chinese.

Samsung is one of the most advanced semiconductor manufacturers on the planet. You're just thinking of phones.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Since we are on the topic of idiom, this one rings true: “The nail that sticks out gets hammered down”. Unless you’re the boss of the company you rarely stand to profit from problem solving or creative thinking — and usually speaking up will be detrimental to you in some way. Are American companies that different? The few places I've worked software engineers didn't get bonuses, only the people in sales did. Software…

Are American companies that different?

There's a little more creative thinking in American companies, but people are still people. Which means you need to tread very carefully or you will quickly acquire an almost invariably fatal reputation as "not a team player".

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Facebook arguably attempts to. The markets are different, and people prefer separate apps, rather than using facebook apps in the facebook app, but facebook still does the core part of all the different things.

Before WeChat people also "prefered" separate apps. That is why I'm calling it a true innovation.

People outside of mainland china (including Hong Kong and Taiwan) still prefer separate apps, and WeChat has been unable to acquire any significant marketshare outside of mainland Chinese users. Heck, even newly opened Myanmar is already dominated by google and Facebook.

The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't really be replicated anywhere else.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#85
post #64

Avoiding the sentiment of the other comments here (which are not completely confusing, but nonetheless a little over my head), I have a practical question: How does one relate to and incentivize the Chinese people, then? Where are good places to start learning more? Context/example: I'm tentatively interested in approaching China from a "hobbyist with a tiny bit of money" standpoint. I want to do limited runs (3 to 4…

"I know the volume I can promise is effectively nil, and I read this article from the standpoint of knowing I have an extra job of convincing to do because of that."

Convincing of what - people to work for effectively nothing? Because according to your logic, that is what you are trying to accomplish. Convincing people to work for nothing. But it's not just you, it is the majority, dare I say nearly everyone, that comes to China. Nearly everyone is trying to get something for nothing. People just seem to lose their ability to comprehend that people in China have the same constraints on time, and particularly the value time, as everyone else outside of China.

I own a factory in China and I see this all too often. For example, people come to us with complicated electromechanical projects with half-baked designs. Designs that would require at least 3 additional months of prototyping before we'd even be ready for tooling. That means we are very likely going to spend 6-12 months working on your project. Too often, they don't have a dedicated engineering staff so there are a lot of gaps we must cover. Verification and validation of designs. Resultant CAD changes. Circuit design changes. Prototyping. Strategic sourcing. Lifecycle testing. Safety and agency. Packaging, packout and shipping. More, much more. It can easily consume 1000+ man-hours even 2000+ man-hours from a team of 8-10 professionals working on it. And then, lets say I quote $35,000 USD nonrefundable engineering fees or labor and overheads for 1000+ manhours. That's about the cost of a secretary with an associates degree from my home state in WV. What do I usually hear? Crickets. I hear nothing back because people are too busy expecting that they are going to work with a factory here in China and get something for nothing.

And in the end, they are all wondering "why didn't I get what I tried to buy from China?"

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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> Thats more her style, not doing it for attracting attention, more because shes interested in modifying her body You're probably getting downvoted for that premise. It's blatantly obvious she's using it to drive views on YouTube (and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that). Even her name is intentionally pointed toward that: SexyCyborg; she's telling you right there what she's doing. It would be just as obvious…

Then I dont mind haha, theres more clickbaity stuff happening on my fb feeds everyday, at least she got the breasts done before the internet fame and not the other way around from how I remember it.

Err...most people miss it but I don't talk about sex Just completely immodest when it comes to skin, that's sexy for other people, not me

https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/903441607709540352

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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> Even now, engineers are not held in anywhere near the same regard in China as they are in the West.

I have to respectfully disagree with the author on the esteem of engineers in China versus the West. I am not Chinese, nor an expert on their culture, but I do live in the West so I understand half of the equation.

Current President of China, Xi Jinping was educated as a chemical engineer[1]. His predecessor Hu Jintao was a hydroelectric engineer[2]. His predecessor Jiang Zemin was an electrical engineer[3].

Compare that with recent American presidents like Obama (JD), Bush(MBA), Clinton(JD), Bush Sr(BA in Econ), Reagan (BA in Econ). These are only a few points, but seems to me it is in China where engineers rise to the highest echelons of power. We have lawyers.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xi_Jinping#Early_life_and_educ...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_Jintao#Early_life

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiang_Zemin#Background_and_asc...

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#88
post #68

Another interesting cultural bit from the same author on chinese collaboration: > You know how overseas Chinese students in America all copy each others work to get answers? This workflow scale. How we work when older too. So if I have a question I open up QQ and have a few hundred friends. We all help each other with whatever. Many are engineers or work in factories here in Shenzhen. Most of the electronics in the w…

She was calling out common traits for people then trying to label them Chinese, and readers, like you, suddenly feel "interesting"...

> how overseas Chinese students in America all copy each others work to get answers?

Student colluding is any special? I was college ta before, I do not think there is ever a class students do not copy each other.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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post #38

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> It's a triumph of integration, not so much innovation. So which system did they clone to become like this? Because if they are the first, I guess it is a lot of innovation.

Oh come on. I said it was good. It's just... not exactly the planar transistor or a CRISPR-CAS editing therapy, or even Android or iOS. It's a good company doing important but fundamentally simple stuff really well.

Wechat is more innovative than Android and iOS.
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