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Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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Okay, sure, care to edit your comment and explain how?

Not parent, but: This is a federal search warrant pertaining to an ongoing investigation, not a facility that Trump organized to hunt nonbelievers, as much as you want that to be true so that your narrative can play itself out.

How are those things mutually exclusive?

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#82

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Stuff like this is why we need to have more political discussions on HN. If we don't talk about these issues openly and try to come up with solutions, we will look back and wonder how we managed to spend this era of USA's transition to fascism discussing utterly trivial stuff like the latest JavaScript frameworks. To paraphrase the famous saying, evil succeeds when good men and women do nothing. I have seen this happ…

The same reason the Go 1.9 changelog won't be discussed in political forums, opinions on USA's political landscape surely has a better home on the Internet than here.

Golang 1.9 changelog wont be discussed in many places because it's a niche topic. Politics affects everyone, and therefore should be discussed everywhere.

Again these same types of arguments I've seen happen back home. People used to say stuff like "oh my god do we have to discuss politics here too??!" End result: the country slid down to authoritarianism and now everyone is fucked, even those who insisted on staying in their own little niche bubbles.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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post #39

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Pretend further that an angry mob at work would get you fired if they don't like your stance on this issue.

Pretend they have first amendment rights to tell you to your face and through their actions that your opinion is garbage and not something they respect. *adding: I find it amazing some people are up in arms about people getting fired for their opinions, maybe you should direct your anger to "Right to Work" laws anti-union folks have pushed down our throats everywhere? There used to be a due process before someone was…

At work, your free speech rights are under the limitations of your employer. You should do some reading on the concept of positive vs negative rights.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuff like this is why we need to have more political discussions on HN. If we don't talk about these issues openly and try to come up with solutions, we will look back and wonder how we managed to spend this era of USA's transition to fascism discussing utterly trivial stuff like the latest JavaScript frameworks. To paraphrase the famous saying, evil succeeds when good men and women do nothing. I have seen this happ…

The same reason the Go 1.9 changelog won't be discussed in political forums, opinions on USA's political landscape surely has a better home on the Internet than here.

Most of HN readers are heavily impacted by US politics in our technical interests and sometimes our daily jobs - even if we don't realize it.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#85

I'm not really surprised at this. I was in DC for the inauguration at an officially permitted protest. Afterwards I'm heading back on the Metro with a small sign saying "illegitimate president." When I get to the platform level there are several armed people in camoflauge, I'm assuming military, but I'm not 100% positive. I'm told by one of them that I need to leave the station immediately. I responded "is this a jok…

Stuff like this is why we need to have more political discussions on HN. If we don't talk about these issues openly and try to come up with solutions, we will look back and wonder how we managed to spend this era of USA's transition to fascism discussing utterly trivial stuff like the latest JavaScript frameworks. To paraphrase the famous saying, evil succeeds when good men and women do nothing. I have seen this happ…

This thread is actually a prime example of why we can't have politics on HN.

Even in an otherwise smart, rational and measured community, in this thread we're seeing appeals to emotion, partisan "outrage" and downvoted being used as a tool of disagreement.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

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This is terrifying; am I reading it correctly that the government is, on behalf of the President, going after people who have opposed him and is starting a register maybe of those persons who hurt the feelings of the glorious leader? I wonder how far down the rabbit hole we are going :-(

Just curious if you read the linked article or not before commenting?

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#87

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Pretend they have first amendment rights to tell you to your face and through their actions that your opinion is garbage and not something they respect. *adding: I find it amazing some people are up in arms about people getting fired for their opinions, maybe you should direct your anger to "Right to Work" laws anti-union folks have pushed down our throats everywhere? There used to be a due process before someone was…

At work, your free speech rights are under the limitations of your employer. You should do some reading on the concept of positive vs negative rights.

Pretty sure nobody in Charlottesville was actually at work at the time.

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#88
post #36

Dreamhost is a hosting provider. Why do they keep these records in the first place and especially over six months later? It seems to me that there will be a big market for hosts that don't keep such logs or delete them after a specified period where they might be useful to debug issues (24-48hrs).

They received a preservation order requiring they do not delete the logs for this domain for period of time prior to the inauguration.

How is that legally sound?

Re: Judge orders tech company to release Web user data from anti-Trump website

#89

I'm not really surprised at this. I was in DC for the inauguration at an officially permitted protest. Afterwards I'm heading back on the Metro with a small sign saying "illegitimate president." When I get to the platform level there are several armed people in camoflauge, I'm assuming military, but I'm not 100% positive. I'm told by one of them that I need to leave the station immediately. I responded "is this a jok…

I don't approve of scaring people like that of course. But it's possible that they thought you were carrying the protest on into the train station or some other place which they had safety concerns about.

Carrying the sign is a danger now? How about printing it on your clothing? Must one cover up to go outside and only protest when one is licensed to do it? Could he have worn a full-body protest costume instead and traveled in it? If not, how is this more dangerous than a Big Bird costume?

There are multiple ways to handle a safety concern, one of which is just by talking to the individual and observing. Someone with a sign acting like all the other passengers isn't much of a worry, I think.

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