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DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#81

The alt-left are dangerous but Dreamhost should resist until all legal channels are exhausted. Checks and balances!

What alt-left? Are you referring to community defense groups trying to protect their communities from Nazis? Dangerous to whom?

The antifa that tore up Berkley come to mind.

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#82
post #74
post #54

DreamHost is probably going to lose. The warrant is actually quite standard. Basically the DOJ is just grabbing everything so they can filter through the comments and logs at their convenience. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

In the physical world, the government can search only one apartment in an apartment building with a single warrant; it can’t search the entire apartment building. Are the collective records of a website more like an apartment building or a single apartment? If this is the reasoning they're going then yes, Dreamhost is out of luck. One account is pretty obviously an apartment on a server (building) with the website be…

It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being executed against an organization exercising political speech. That's very different from, say, the DoJ requesting visitor logs to a film torrent site.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#83
post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

So anyone who visits a far-left or far-right political website should have their identities unmasked to the federal government?

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Transplanted example of this same line of reasoning: JimBob's Cake Bakery also has a constitutional right not to do business with same-sex couples (or really, anyone else they disagree with). You are protected from the government restricting your speech, no one else has any obligation to put up with you.

That's incorrect. Sexual orientation is a federally protected class. Belief in white supremacy is not.

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Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#85
post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

Don't refer to these morons committing violent acts in the name of protest as "alt-left." It does nothing but legitimize them, much as the moniker "alt-right" legitimizes white supremacists.

There is a time and a place for violent protest/revolution, but we're nowhere near there yet.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#87
post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

Correct. Pardon the source but I just searched for "antifa knife" and copied the first link: http://bigleaguepolitics.com/man-stabbed-antifa-mob-outside-... The alt-left is getting bolder and more dangerous.

And the alt-right is getting dumber. Seriously, "bigleaguepolitics.com"? Are you going to peddle Seth Rich conspiracy theories now too? Because that's also on their front page.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#88
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the physical world, the government can search only one apartment in an apartment building with a single warrant; it can’t search the entire apartment building. Are the collective records of a website more like an apartment building or a single apartment? If this is the reasoning they're going then yes, Dreamhost is out of luck. One account is pretty obviously an apartment on a server (building) with the website be…

It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being executed against an organization exercising political speech. That's very different from, say, the DoJ requesting visitor logs to a film torrent site.

   > It's also extremely pertinent that the warrant is being 
   > executed against an organization exercising political 
   > speech. 
Why? If you hurt me (many innocent people were hurt), but you do it because you feel "political", it's OK?

Isn't the law supposed to be blind, or do political groups have a "get out of jail free" card?

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#89
post #67
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a political organization feel the need to protect their information from the DOJ? This isn't a matter of "sides", it is a matter of extreme overreach by the executive branch.

It's not overreach if the political organization is behaving like a criminal organization. Much of the rioting and property damage at the inauguration was clearly planned, so the DOJ is just doing its job here.

An across-the-aisle analog would be a Democrat President demanding detailed visitation logs to Breitbart in response to the Charlottesville riots. You can prosecute violent crime without lazily trampling over the First and Fourth Amendments.

Re: DOJ Demands Files on Anti-Trump Activists, and DreamHost Resists

#90
post #66

Sorry, but antifa is more than Anti-Trump Activists, they are dangerous. They attack people for political reasons and are largely unpunished because they wear all black and wear masks. They are the clowns that started fires in berkeley and hit the Trump support in the head with a bike lock, causing a fractured skull. That's no good imo.

The article does not mention "antifa" even once. Can you not throw unrelated bombs into this thread?
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