This is so sad...Nobody wants to play w/ the bigot/racist/nazi sympathizing president... things were so much easier for Hitler...
Please comment civilly and substantively on HN or not at all.
Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
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Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
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The flak that Trump is getting is not because he did not condemn white supremacist groups, it is because he said both groups are same. One was there preaching the idea of owning other people and violence, the second was there to ask for equality. BLM and KKK may both be violent, but they are being violent for different reasons. You can condemn the violence without equating them. It is like saying Nelson Mandela and P…
Both groups deserve equal protection under the law and should have the right to assemble. Any violence against either one is equally problematic. The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant.
>The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant
To you, but the president endorsing a group or legitimizing the cause of another is not irrelevant.
Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
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I'll reiterate myself because it apparently wasn't clear the first time. I agree with your stance. The appropriate thing to do would have been to explicitly call out the group whose violence escalated the highest. But to pretend this is the first of this type of incident is a lie. And to pretend that other groups that lean left have not had politically motivated violence and murder recently is also a lie. I welcome y…
This is the second time in this discussion that you've referred to Black Lives Matter as an organization that kills or has directed the killing of law enforcement officers. Can you present documented proof?
Joseph Thomas Johnson-Shanks murdered a Kentucky State Trooper
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/suspect-trooper-dea...
Tyrone Harris Jr. fired shots at an unmarked police car, then died in a shootout with the police. He didn't manage to actually kill anyone though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferguson_unrest#Tyrone_Harris_....
Jeffrey Williams shot two police officers in relation to BLM protests and demonstrations in Ferguson. Naturally BLM disavowed him.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/williams-ferguson-p...
Micah Johnson killed 5 officers and wounded several others http://www.nationalreview.com/article/437694/black-lives-mat...
There's a few others, but it's hard to find reliable sources because the mainstream media has, as I explicitly called them out for, avoided associating these acts of violence with their group identities.
Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Both groups deserve equal protection under the law and should have the right to assemble. Any violence against either one is equally problematic. The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant.
>The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant To you, but the president endorsing a group or legitimizing the cause of another is not irrelevant.
Again, it's completely fair criticism to call Trump out for not explicitly naming white supremacists or alt-right or whatever in his initial remarks. What I take issue with is that when it's left leaning groups committing similar acts of violence no one on the left and hardly anyone in the national media explicitly calls out Antifa or BLM as having murderers or violent acts carried out amongst its ranks.
Are we going to associate everyone with their political identity or not? It's unethical to do it only when it's a political identity you disagree with.
Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
The flak that Trump is getting is not because he did not condemn white supremacist groups, it is because he said both groups are same. One was there preaching the idea of owning other people and violence, the second was there to ask for equality. BLM and KKK may both be violent, but they are being violent for different reasons. You can condemn the violence without equating them. It is like saying Nelson Mandela and P…
Both groups deserve equal protection under the law and should have the right to assemble. Any violence against either one is equally problematic. The content of their shitty messages is irrelevant.
Both groups get equal protection under the law. That's not what's being discussed here. It's more whether they deserve equal criticism by the media and politicians, and there the message is relevant.
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In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?
By putting people in 'groups' and having those who support him also enforce this idea that we're all in separate groups and need to look out for own little group--this is how fascism grows, this is how hitler took over Germany, this is how a new Hitler figure could take over America too... It's not outside the realm of possibility sure Germans in 1900 couldn't forsee the horrors of 1940. Here's a good video from 1947…
There was an interesting TrumpCast episode (from June 2016) during which the host interviewed a historian of European Fascism:
http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/trumpcast/2016/06/tru...
I'd be curious whether the historian would offer the same analysis today.
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> I have never assumed that the operations of capital are autonomous and self-executing, or that executives are robots who are programmed to maximize shareholder value to the exclusion of all other considerations. But that is how it works, right? If you don't maximize shareholder value you can be ousted, if you don't where others do you will lose in the marketplace and cease to exist. Isn't that competitive ruthlessn…
"Corporations are people." And it behooves them to be politically correct at all times.
Literal nazis are waking the streets in nation that leads the free world. Save us this "political correctness gone mad" BS.
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Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?
Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.
The Weimar Republic (German Government Prior to Hitler) was a socialist country. The parties that countered the socialists were the communists, the people who supported the old monarchy, and the Nazis.
Hitler didn't bring socialism to Germany. The party introduced extreme nationalism.
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In what ways has Trump done anything similar to Hitler?
Here are some specific things that Trump has done that are very similar to Hitler: 1. Created a narrative via dog whistles that white folks are actual victims in this country in the hands of minorities, immigrants, BLM etc. A strong undercurrent of "us" vs. "them" narrative. As a result a significant portion of Republicans believe that white people are more discriminated in this country 2. Undermined free press with…
Ooh! This is fun. The "how someone is just like Hitler game." I know this game.
Here's my entry: 5 things Barack Obama did that were very similar to Adolf Hitler:
1. Assumed a populist mantra of taking back government from corrupt politicians ("change you can believe in" "not beholden to special interests")
2. Employed blitzkrieg tactics against unsuspecting and peaceful nations (Hitler: Poland; Obama: Libya)
3. Armed and funded radical revolutionaries in other nations in hopes of governmental overthrow and replacement by sympathetic new governments (Hitler: Spain; Obama: Ukraine, Syria, Iran; the Arab Spring more generally)
4. Designed a national healthcare system with a close analogue in Hitler's national socialist healthcare
5. Used inspiring rhetoric to distract from policies unpopular among the majority of the electorate (such as Obama's transgender bathroom policies, which almost 2/3 of Americans disliked)
Who should we do next? I'm thinking challenge round: either Bono, Hulk Hogan, or the Dalia Lama.
Re: Trump Strategic and Policy Forum, Which Included IBM and GM CEOs, Disbands
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Attacked the media and placed almost all the blame for American hardships on immigrants?
Hitler placed almost all of the blame for German hardships on the 1% (racial stereotype: Jews). This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.
> This may also be a good time to point out that Nazi stands for National Socialist.
Not without also pointing out that not only are political party names often misleading, and also that the “National Socialist German Workers Party” name was with the party before Hitler and his gang took over the party and threw out its old platform, specifically getting rid of the socialist bits.