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Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I've been forwarding all of my email from Gmail to ProtonMail, just to see how I like the ProtonMail interface. So far I'm liking it a lot. A little weirdness on getting timely notifications on Android. But I might switch completely. Anybody make the switch?

I prefer it by far.

I only use it for a small fraction of my business, though.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

#82

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This is a great example of how not to interact with customers. Telling a customer who's been waiting on a feature for over a year to relax is just insulting. I picked Fastmail due to their excellent support reputation, you all could learn from them!

Sometimes the customer is either flat wrong or at least an asshole. ProtonMail sends yearly surveys to paying customers asking for help prioritizing development efforts, so suggesting they don't listen to their customers is asinine. IMAP support is in beta as a result of customers prioritizing it in those surveys. As they are likely limited primarily by funding and developer bandwidth, I see nothing wrong with their…

Fair point, but exporting email? These aren't crazy ideas from one person's wishlist. These are actual features that should be standard for any company providing an email service.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

#83

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everyone that pays with bitcoin now that everything is cheaper? yeah it goes counter to all of the anti-deflationary schools of economics, but when have economists ever gotten actual human behavior right?

Nobody does. And this is the problem with having no inflation. Every economy needs a slight inflation, otherwise people stop consuming, instead save all their money and it gets worse => deflation. Bitcoin equals gold, nobody uses Bitcoin to consume anything. I don't know which human behavior you refer to.

Your argument is: "Why would anyone spend any money if it's worth tomorrow?!" to support a pro-inflation argument

The counterargument / parallel reality in an inflationary world is: "Why would anyone accept any money if it's worth less tomorrow?!"

The only difference between the two paradigms is that in the later, the currency creators have the power and in the former, the currency owners have the power. It is no coincidence that the financial institution has chosen to be in control of inflation and extract the wealth first, via seignorage, of currency inflation.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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What makes you think ProtonMail employees couldn't do the same? Not a critique of PM (I'm a paying user myself), but this is not a reason to switch.

Some of their software stack is open source. You can go have a look how it works for yourself, of course you have to trust that what they opened is what they run- but the foundations seem solid at least. https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClient

How does an open source software stack stop employees from reading content?

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

#85
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I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I've not seen anyone else talking about mailbox.org. I've been using them for a while after moving away from Fastmail and I'm loving it. Cheap and they're recommeded by https://www.privacytools.io/.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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I'm thinking of switching my business email to protonmail from gmail. Any users like it ? The whole google memo revealed google employees are not as trustworthy as I thought. All the social media talk of blacklists, and inquisition tactics from some of upper management is bad for business. I've already gotten emails from clients asking me to change their business google services to something else (anything else in th…

I am very impressed with their service, accessing it on their .onion site. I've been paying with Bitcoin, but it has been a manual process. Their support seems responsive. The UI is great.

I was going to use fastmail, but ProtonMail's inbox encryption seemed like a nice bonus. I know it is not really securing my email, but it is nice to know that if they get a subpoena or warrant they cannot just dump my inbox. At least not without compromising their product - an active step.

Setup of domains and accounts is slick. Changing payment plans all works online, pro-rating and all.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Bitcoin is not anonymous.

You are never anonymous when you connect to the Internet, even over Tor, even through 7 proxies. There is always a connection right back to you. We need to move beyond the obsession with anonymity and refocus the goal as being privacy. Then, recognize that privacy has several levels. That way, the expectation is more clear.

This is disingenuous. Bitcoin is very anti-anonymous. Tor is rather anonymous. Saying that perfect anonymity does not exist because there's always some bits leaking to an omniscient entity is not helpful.

ProtonMail should support Monero. For now, I pay using a group of Monero wallets I churn every few hours and xmr.to. I suppose Bitcoin is the least common denominator in that sense.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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If you want to mask your identity wouldn't you be better off buying Visa gift cards with cash at a major store and then using them to purchase services online?

Not really. You can unlink all of your cryptocurrency transactions with Monero. This is sufficient for fiat too.

It is harder than that though. Monero has an issue in that everyone is only doing ringsize=3 transactions, providing little anonymity. If you buy from an exchange then turn around and sell it back, even with different amounts, you will be on a shortlist of suspects.

To do Monero properly you need to wait a while (at least hours, better days) while churning to other addresses, being sure to keep your ringsize and fees looking like everyone else's. Hopefully they will raise the ringsize minimum to 10 in the upcoming hardfork - that will go some way towards fixing the problem.

For now, I bet there will be cases of people happily bouncing to Monero via Shapeshift and getting busted.

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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This is a little bit "late". Fastmail has supported Bitcoin payment for a very long time. In fact, I was surprised last year when I wanted to try proton mail and they didn't have Bitcoin payments.

ProtonMail has supported bitcoin for a long time too; I'm not sure why they're only announcing it now. I payed for my ProtonMail account at least 6 months ago with BTC...

Re: ProtonMail Now Supports Bitcoin Payments

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Try to relax a bit. It is good for your health. :) Both of those features are under development. If you would like to see them sooner rather than later, perhaps you know some great programmers that you could recommend to careers@protonmail.ch? Or, you could share ProtonMail's Careers page: https://protonmail.com/careers ProtonMail is hiring!

Protonmail fan and user here. Guys, honestly there are better ways to respond to customers and potential customers, without the patronizing tone. That can't possibly help.

It actually didn't seem idiomatic... I suspect that english is not their first language and they might not have realized they were being rude.
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