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Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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I ran across this article while researching a stock and as I read, I kept thinking, "This was not written by a person. This was written by software." [0] I checked the attribution, and there is a person's name on it. Sure, any hack can write and publish and this is probably just another example. But the odd style doesn't even strike me as 'writing the way I think' or writing and publishing quickly without editing. Fo…

From the article (mistakes highlighted): > Human news writers regularly point out that AIs tend to lack nuance and a _flare_ for language in the stories they churn out. That’s probably a _fare_ criticism [...] Maybe they used speech-to-text transcription for this, given that the mistakes are homophones? It seems very unlikely that either a human typing this, or a computerized system would make these mistakes (if it l…

> It seems very unlikely that either a human typing this, or a computerized system would make these mistakes (if it learns word associations from a corpus).

You underestimate people's ability to make language errors, including spelling ones. Every time I see somebody I suspect is a native English speaher using "it's" for "its", I grind my teeth. (Another instance is somebody using phrase like "as a programmer, the data bus should be written..." to mean "I, as a programmer, think that..."; this phrasing makes me simply furious.) With those errors they make reading my second language so much harder, and I can't even point their bad spelling or writing style out, because I'm seen as being nitpicking or something.

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a great example, because I much prefer the robot version of the Denny article to the human created version.

They both had their advantages. The human one wasted words on being cutesy but had the Las Vegas analysis.

You call it analysis, I call it bullshit.

Doesn't every bit of research we have show how hopeless all this analysis is?

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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Random thoughts:

  * Facts delivered with arbitrary fluff words is pointless even when written by a human - it obfuscates the
    real purpose which is the data
  * Companies pay humans to deliver articles in most cases and the bias of the writer or the institution
    that paid for it shines through. I cannot find a real difference between intentional angling by
    payment or by algorithm
  * When the day arises where computers could generate actually new, intelligent and thoughtful pieces I
    for one will be very interested in reading them. Sadly there would be millions of variations that could
    occur at an astounding pace. We'd then need algorithms to filter the generated content for the things
    that are really noteworthy.
  * News at its core is a sequence of facts which begs the question if we really need the cruft around
    those facts which can often lead to misinterpretation?

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

#84
post #54

I ran across this article while researching a stock and as I read, I kept thinking, "This was not written by a person. This was written by software." [0] I checked the attribution, and there is a person's name on it. Sure, any hack can write and publish and this is probably just another example. But the odd style doesn't even strike me as 'writing the way I think' or writing and publishing quickly without editing. Fo…

I'd guess that about a third to half of the "financial news" articles I see on finance.google.com are generated from some sort of template, with a script filling in the details. I'd love to see Google identify and remove these sites from their search results (and any sites that link to them), but I think they either don't think it's a high priority or they don't know how to solve the problem. What will be creepy is i…

Bloomberg has these articles as well. If a service that costs $20K a year is promoting these (and not removing), it's a safe bet "free" Google Finance will be showing more rather than less of these in the future.

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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Fake news generator is invented a loooong time ago by CNN and Facebook. Why to invent wheel again ?

Does this version have better fact checking with alternative word processor ?

How detail this version is about moodmapping to connectivity ideology flow ?

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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I ran across this article while researching a stock and as I read, I kept thinking, "This was not written by a person. This was written by software." [0] I checked the attribution, and there is a person's name on it. Sure, any hack can write and publish and this is probably just another example. But the odd style doesn't even strike me as 'writing the way I think' or writing and publishing quickly without editing. Fo…

I work for Automated Insights, a company that makes a SaaS platform very similar to what's in the article. Here's an example "in the wild" of the content we produce - http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/business/article158774809...

Many of your criticisms are totally valid. Lots of the phrasing is awkward - even the lede is really bad ("Tesla, Inc. (TSLA) has been having a set of eventful trading activity"...wat). And it feels really deceptive to put a human byline on an automated article.

We're pretty open about the fact that our solution to this problem is not "magical" at all [1, 2] - it's good, old-fashioned automation. This approach allows our customers to QA their content heavily before pushing it to production, which eliminates many of the problems with awkward/incorrect phrasing that people who rely more heavily on machine learning tend to run into. And the news articles we publish always have a note at the end saying that they were generated by Automated Insights, and don't include a human byline.

There is real value in this type of reporting - a recent study [3] found that the articles we produce for less well-known publicly-traded companies has increased the trading volume for those companies. The idea is that, yes, the content is fairly formulaic, but there's now reporting on companies that had very little coverage before we existed. There are similar arguments for mass personalization work we've done for companies like Activision Yahoo - having prose that describes raw data (even if it is formulaic to an extent) is often better than not having prose.

[1] https://automatedinsights.com/blog/the-state-of-artificial-i...

[2] https://automatedinsights.com/blog/creating-great-automated-...

[3] https://insights.ap.org/industry-trends/study-news-automatio...

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

#88
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you didn't write about a future event

They said they covered a news story before "it" happened. If we want to take a considerate interpretation- they wrote about the "news" before the "real news" decided it was "news".

No, a similar set of events happened repeatedly. A group of protesters assembled at a mall, just the last time, the judge got arrested.

Prior to that the exact same judge would make some statement, as would other people. People searching for the story about the arrest would get a story about a previous protest without an arrest and find that everything, except the arrest itself, was pretty much the same.

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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Ironically, the Adsense "valuable inventory" policy prohibits showing Google ads on automaitcally generated content [1]. I wonder if they will follow their own rules and refuse to show ads on content generated by this tool. [1] https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1346295?hl=en

Adsense policy: "Examples of unacceptable pages include ... Automatically generated content without manual review or curation"

Article: "People will be involved in the curation and editing of the stories"

Re: Google is funding the creation of software that writes local news stories

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post #81
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article (mistakes highlighted): > Human news writers regularly point out that AIs tend to lack nuance and a _flare_ for language in the stories they churn out. That’s probably a _fare_ criticism [...] Maybe they used speech-to-text transcription for this, given that the mistakes are homophones? It seems very unlikely that either a human typing this, or a computerized system would make these mistakes (if it l…

> It seems very unlikely that either a human typing this, or a computerized system would make these mistakes (if it learns word associations from a corpus). You underestimate people's ability to make language errors, including spelling ones. Every time I see somebody I suspect is a native English speaher using "it's" for "its", I grind my teeth. (Another instance is somebody using phrase like "as a programmer, the da…

and I can't even point their bad spelling or writing style out

There is a certain delicious irony that you managed to contrive such a perfect example of a dangling preposition in the very next sentence after your complaint about a dangling modifier.

Skitt's Law in effect once again!

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