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NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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Carfentanil is LD50 at 0.05mg. Don't be Bill Gates, 640KB is not enough for everyone and the 8th decimal of the pound is a lethal dose of Carfentanil.

I stand corrected! Thanks.

It could come in handy too know one day! :/

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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An interesting (banned) TEDx talk by Rupert Sheldrake, one part on the changing "fundamental constants", starting here: https://youtu.be/JKHUaNAxsTg?t=591 The other parts are a bit "woo" and I'm sure would be laughed at by the HN crowd. But his points about fundamental "constants" changing, and the metrologists' dogmatic (really, anti-scientific) response, are worth pondering.

Just in case folks are unaware, this is the parapsychology guy that believes the following: > Sheldrake's morphic resonance hypothesis posits that "memory is inherent in nature" and that "natural systems, such as termite colonies, or pigeons, or orchid plants, or insulin molecules, inherit a collective memory from all previous things of their kind" ... Sheldrake proposes that it is also responsible for "telepathy-typ…

Yes, but did you watch the section on fundamental constants? Even if he's a crank, his questions are valid, and metrologists who define away problems with fundamental constant measurements are to be questioned.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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It does not make sense, practically. So they'll be using a balance with multiple moving parts made of multiple minerals that have to be precisely calibrated with margins of error adding up, instead of a simple platinum cylinder? Although, it makes sense politically

It's the opposite: it makes sense practically, because it means a setup that can be reproduced "anywhere" based on pure knowledge, without depending on being able to ensure the continued integrity of a physical object that has been shown to change over time.

Most people can continue to depend on prototypes for calibration, so it does not cost us any complexity in that respect. What we're gaining is to be able to independently re-calibrate multiple prototypes.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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> Ha, the irony! The USA's NIST defines a SI unit to the rest of the world; meanwhile, most of citizens don't know what it is. ...except actually it's the International Committee for Weights and Measures. However I will help you retain your justifiable sense of ironic superiority: the US is one of the 17 original signatories to the metre convention (in May 1875: http://www.bipm.org/en/about-us/member-states/original_…

Submission title says "NIST". > and/or who uses illegal drugs. :)

Yes, but the article is clear. The headline is from the Washington Post. The apparatus itself was indeed developed by NIST.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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Do they account for potential variations in gravity where they've been doing the measurements? Given how ridiculously sensitive the equipment is the position of the moon probably has an impact on the readings they're getting.

Balance scales work independently of gravity, both sides of the scale are equally affected.

Only if the moon is directly overhead.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #57

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Even if they did use the imperial system, no drug dealer is going to care about a change in the 8th decimal place of the definition of the pound.

Carfentanil is LD50 at 0.05mg. Don't be Bill Gates, 640KB is not enough for everyone and the 8th decimal of the pound is a lethal dose of Carfentanil.

Wait no this doesn't make sense. It's not an 8th decimal of a pound, it's an 8th decimal of what you're measuring. If you're measuring out a pound of Carfentanil you might be off by 0.05mg, but if you're measuring a dose you'll actually take, you won't.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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Balance scales work independently of gravity, both sides of the scale are equally affected.

Only if the moon is directly overhead.

Down to eight significant figures it is an issue (effect of the moon's gravity on the surface of the earth peaks at 1.1 × 10−7 g), but you can always point the normal of the axial plane of the balance in the earth relative right ascension direction of the moon to avoid this effect (regardless of the moon's relative declension, δ).

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #86

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Carfentanil is LD50 at 0.05mg. Don't be Bill Gates, 640KB is not enough for everyone and the 8th decimal of the pound is a lethal dose of Carfentanil.

Wait no this doesn't make sense. It's not an 8th decimal of a pound, it's an 8th decimal of what you're measuring . If you're measuring out a pound of Carfentanil you might be off by 0.05mg, but if you're measuring a dose you'll actually take, you won't.

It still stands that a LD50 of Carfentanil is able to be estimated away because of the change in the precision of a pound.

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #69

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Yes, in the same way that a half-marathon is 13 degrees mile long.

The half-marathon is a race that commemorates the Greek soldier who ran halfway from Marathon to Athens after the Battle of Marathon.

Your username is "analog31".

Re: NIST to redefine the kilogram based on a fundamental universal constant

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post #67

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An Eight-ball is an eighth of an ounce, and it's still one of the most popular ways of asking for coke. It's not really dying out as much as you say.

Okay grandpa.

Please don't post like this here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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