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Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by LMYahooTFY »

FireBeyond wrote: post #78
LMYahooTFY wrote: post #71

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"Class" is not determined exclusively by price point as much as automotive magazines assert that is the only delineation. It's going to put people in or out of a price tier, but how many people that can afford both are going "oh no, that's just below the price tier I want to buy into". Sure that's a subtle piece of the puzzle, not a conscious decision. When you look at the other pieces, like features and performance,…

> When you look at the other pieces, like features and performance Yeah, have you compared say "cabin quality" to a Bentley or Rolls? That's another piece that falls way short. Even to a C/E Mercedes. Door handles being ... problematic, etc, are things that push the S from being "on par" with those cars you name.

Honestly if you think door handles are what push a Mercedes off of "par", then I don't have a response as this seems like a debate about what's subjective and/or important....

I've actually worked at luxury car dealers, I don't find Bentley or Rolls cabin quality to be better than a Mercedes, and I've driven all of them around at least once. Automotive engineering doesn't precisely follow the price curve.

Bentlty and Rolls are covered in a lot more veneer and aesthetics.

They get away with it because they put in monster engines to push their giant hyper-insulated boxes pretty quickly in a straight line and that's about all. The s class is designed to a slightly different specification.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by jacquesm »

zeep wrote: post #73
jacquesm wrote: post #48

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130 is the maximum speed in most countries, Germany excepted in Europe, in most states in the US it's 55 Mph, 70 or 85 (Texas, the exception), so only in Texas or Germany would you run into the situation where your car can't go the legal limit, but it is still more than capable of achieving the minimum speed, and in fact that speed at which the vast majority of the traffic moves. Slower than 130 km/h would be a probl…

but when the speed limit is 70mph, everyone goes ~80mph... and it is probably not a good thing to always go at your car's maximum rated speed, you can't speed up to pass someone for example... (Assuming that the model 3 would have a lower than 130mph limit to differentiate it from its more expensive siblings.)

The model 3 will have a top in excess of 140 mph according to 'reliable sources'. I don't think you're going to have issues trying to go 80 mph.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by stcredzero »

jacquesm wrote: post #67
stcredzero wrote: post #62

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I once had my little Honda CRX almost up to 110 mph on an empty highway one late night in Nevada. (I might've made it with a tailwind!) Pretty exciting. Not something I'd want to do for an extended period of time. Car journalist David E. Davis claimed he had fun driving the same car on the Autobahn, however.

CRX is a car that is quite frequently modded the crap out of because the engine is capable of substantially more HP than it puts out standard, you'll also find these engines in many other custom builds (super popular in souped up classic minis for instance). They'll definitely go fast (even in the standard setup) but I'd really hate to have anything unexpected happen at those speeds. Even in a larger and more stable…

Well, crap, TIL, Daihatsu made the Ford Ghia Barchetta! Jealous!

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by maxxxxx »

jacquesm wrote: post #50
maxxxxx wrote: post #29

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Most of the (gas engine) cars sold today can go 180.

Most of the high end cars will go 225 or 249 (legal limit enforced by the engine firmware, also related to what the tires the car is sold standard with can handle). A small car doing 180 will not live long.

I was taking golfs and fiestas to 180 all the time. Even faster downhill. Never any problems.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by Vik1ng »

Retric wrote: post #51
FireBeyond wrote: post #26

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Not sure why you're downvoted, you're right. Tesla S starts at $57K. - Mercedes S starts at $97K - Panamera starts at $86K - 6/7 series start at $81K/$83K. You're right, you're looking at mid-range Audis and the like. But having been in a 2016 S and several Audis the interior quality is hugely different. The Audi feels great, and the S felt like my eight year old Altima. I don't want to sound like a hater - the Tesla…

That's just sticker price, many of those cars get sold at a a minor price premium to a ~30% discount. Which is why the monthly sales are all over the map: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/porsche/porsche-pa... 2016 January 336 February 293 March 334 April 371 2017 January 35 February 28 March 554 April 1098
Or you know they just introduced a new model...

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by Vik1ng »

nardi wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #15

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> Tesla’s Model S outsells Mercedes S-Class, Porsche Panamera, and BMW 6/7 Series combined in the US Those cars are not even in the same class, of course Tesla would outsell them. Compare sales of the model S in Germany with the C class, BMW 3 (or maybe the 5) and just forget about Porsche. Other cars you could compare it with are larger sedans of the premium variety Japanese manufacturers (Toyota -> Lexus, Nissan ->…

Seems much closer in price to your parent's list than your list, though the reality is it's somewhere in the middle: 3 Series - $33,450 (-34,550) C Class - $39,500 (-28,500) 5 Series - $51,200 (-16,800) Model S - $68,000 6 Series - $77,600 (+9,600) Porsche Panamera - $78,100 (+10,100) 7 Series - $81,500 (+13,500) S Class - $96,600 (+28,600) Edit: With the US federal tax credit of $7,500, it comes down closer to the b…

He should have used the E-Class/5-Series/A6 segment, not one below. Then the price difference after incentives is a bit over 10k. While going up market the difference can be more than twice that much.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by Vik1ng »

vvanders wrote: post #52
zippergz wrote: post #45

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I'd be very curious to see actual data about this. I'm not sure one way or the other. Most of the Model S owners I know are people who previously would not have considered buying a car in that price range, so they weren't really potential S Class customers. It's amazing to me how many friends who used to drive Toyotas or at most low-end BMWs and Audis are now spending nearly $100K to get a Tesla. At the same time, th…

Someone over on the Tesla forums was aggregating S/7 series sales from public records and they was a significant and sustained drop since the S was introduced.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01/mercedes-benz-s-class-s...

Except S-Class sales went up in 2013 and skyrocketed in 2014. Overall it seems like the introduction of a new model by Mercedes had far more effect than the Model S and then it fell off because it got older. 7-Series sales were probably also mostly affected by an ageing car.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by morsch »

Roritharr wrote: post #79
jjallen wrote: post #14

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The top-speed is really a prime concern for choosing your car? Interesting. Do you live in a no-speed-limit jurisdiction, such as Germany?

Yes, I live in Germany. I have the same discussion roughly every month on HN[1]. No I'm not a reckless driver, I'm a family father that tries his best to drive safely. Just going 120km/h on the Autobahn in Germany is often times not the safest way. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14423002

You conjure a scenario where you're behind an unsafe driver who's going 130 km/h on the center lane, and you want to overtake him to get some distance from the source of danger. Can't do this if your car is only capable of driving at up to 130-140 km/h, true.

The obvious -- and also the safest, in any car -- solution: just slow down. Switch to the right lane which invariably runs at around 80 to 90 km/h. Your nemesis will distance themselves at >30 km/h.

Maybe stay on the right lane at <100 km/h in general, overtaking trucks only when necessary, giving you ample room for acceleration in case you need it. It's a lot more energy efficient, anway. And presumably safer, too.

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by Retric »

Vik1ng wrote: post #85
Retric wrote: post #51

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That's just sticker price, many of those cars get sold at a a minor price premium to a ~30% discount. Which is why the monthly sales are all over the map: http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales-data/porsche/porsche-pa... 2016 January 336 February 293 March 334 April 371 2017 January 35 February 28 March 554 April 1098

Or you know they just introduced a new model...

EU sales show very different trends. http://carsalesbase.com/european-car-sales-data/Porsche/Pors...

January 2016: 227 vs 2017: 660

Re: Tesla's Long-Awaited, Lower-Priced Model 3 to Arrive Friday

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Post by xillion »

ec109685 wrote: post #63
krick wrote: post #21

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Is it possible to disable reporting? If, say, I'm not thrilled by idea telling the guys from Tesla where I'm heading to?

Yes

How? Even Tesla's with autopilot equipped (but not purchased) capture data.
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