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Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by vinhboy »

justinzollars wrote: post #44

We should put boats off the coast of San Francisco like we talked about a few years ago.

Mass + New York + Canada + Seattle + Oregon + Cali will form the nation of America 2.0. Open borders to all US citizens.

The rest of the US can mine coal, frack, or whatever they want to do. They think that's where the jobs are.

Doesn't matter to us. We'll just speed up the electric, self-driving, car revolution with China and continue working on climate change rules and a global economy with Europe.

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Post by microcolonel »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #66
johncolanduoni wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I checked, Canada is still much stricter when it comes to work visas than the US, though I suppose much less of their capacity is getting eaten up by Infosys-like operations.

I keep hearing the opposite. When was the last time you checked (no sarcasm), and how did you check?

You're hearing the opposite from people who are trying hard to be negative about the Trump presidency, instead of thinking for themselves.

We typically require people to prove that the job they're going to do can not be feasibly offered to a citizen. Typically exemptions can apply if you're applying for a work visa for a transfer within a multinational company, and for a small number of other more niche roles. In order to be exempt as a professional you need to be a citizen of Mexico or the U.S. and provably belong to a profession which is specifically exempted (there are a bit over 60) according to a list.

Re: Trump administration has plan to scrap ‘startup visa’ rule

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Post by geon »

pilsetnieks wrote: post #46
Warvick wrote: post #23

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I only wondered why US will not open up to the countries, that are known for being safe, with well educated and easy to integrate citizens. US is opening its borders to rich countries instead of opening to safe bets to grab some tech talent. There are numerous countries that fit this profile. The majority of Central/Eastern Europe, few Asian and South American countries, even with Africa having some. Instead, they ex…

Because "losing jobs to foreigners" is a political nightmare, especially to the current administration, whose base cares for something like that.

I can't understand that rethoric. You get a new consumer as well, so you have merely increased the population.

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Post by paulsutter »

drspacemonkey wrote: post #76
startupdiscuss wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if there is an arbitrage opportunity: invest in real estate and office space north of Seattle and south of Vancouver, just over the border. Those who can go back and forth and take meetings on both sides. People are within commuting distance of these large metro areas.

Real estate on the Washington side of the border is insanely cheaper. As soon as you cross the border, prices skyrocket and just keep going up until you hit downtown Vancouver. Seriously, our affordability problem is pretty much at crisis levels. People who argue that we should increase density aren't wrong, but we're already building towers as fast as we can. And the majority of those suffer from substandard, shoddy…

Vancouver is a wonderful city so I can really understand why you want to keep everyone from finding out :)

But go see San Francisco if you want to understand an affordability crisis. Vancouver is reasonable in comparison.

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Post by notyourwork »

drspacemonkey wrote: post #49
paulsutter wrote: post #38

Vancouver, anyone? I live in Seattle and I'm about ready to drive two hours north for my next startup. To hire the Russian programmers I'm already working with, or the folks on Kaggle I'd love to hire. The US has a completely broken scheme for visas.

That's just trading one problem for another. Vancouver has a very serious affordability problem. Not only are you going to be paying a lot more for office and living space, you're going to have far fewer opportunities for funding.

Is Vancouver more expensive than Seattle?

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Post by mattm »

startupdiscuss wrote: post #63
drspacemonkey wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's just trading one problem for another. Vancouver has a very serious affordability problem. Not only are you going to be paying a lot more for office and living space, you're going to have far fewer opportunities for funding.

I wonder if there is an arbitrage opportunity: invest in real estate and office space north of Seattle and south of Vancouver, just over the border. Those who can go back and forth and take meetings on both sides. People are within commuting distance of these large metro areas.

It's a 3 hour drive from Seattle-Vancouver so even if you're halfway that's a 1.5 hour commute.

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Post by neuronexmachina »

geon wrote: post #83
pilsetnieks wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because "losing jobs to foreigners" is a political nightmare, especially to the current administration, whose base cares for something like that.

I can't understand that rethoric. You get a new consumer as well, so you have merely increased the population.

The belief that economics is a zero-sum game is sadly quite prevalent.

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Post by smt88 »

stale2002 wrote: post #67
bobabooey02 wrote: post #4

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What makes that idea difficult is the fact that profits have become decoupled from contribution to society. Anymore, most corporate gains aren't being passed along to the workers, just to the owners. Granted, the equation shifts with small businesses compared to large ones, but the idea that business = improvement is a bit simplistic.

But at a very minimum, you can agree that if someone makes more money, then they will pay more in taxes? Why shouldn't the government optimize for letting people into the country that are going to give it a lot of tax dollars? We could then use those extra tax dollars to do things that society wants.

> if someone makes more money, then they will pay more in taxes?

Absolutely not true for everyone. It depends heavily on how they make their money.

Many very wealthy people are also able to abuse loopholes and decrease their tax bills. Do you remember when people thought Trump didn't want to release his tax returns because they showed he paid zero taxes? Yes, that's a real thing. Billionaires making millions in a given year are able to pay nothing, if they organize their finances correctly.

Also, people have value to the economy outside of tax dollars. They also spend money, fill jobs that aren't filled by domestic workers, and produce babies (which wealthier people produce at a lower rate and which are necessary to fund things like Social Security).

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Post by spitfire »

paulsutter wrote: post #38

Vancouver, anyone? I live in Seattle and I'm about ready to drive two hours north for my next startup. To hire the Russian programmers I'm already working with, or the folks on Kaggle I'd love to hire. The US has a completely broken scheme for visas.

Victoria is nice and much cheaper.

If you're actually building a business (rather than a get-rich-quick startup) people will welcome you with open arms. You'll find good QOL and great livability here. Though we are just starting to get traffic problems.

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Post by gnaritas »

soldierofhayley wrote: post #39
gnaritas wrote: post #33

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How disgusting.

Care to elaborate? As a patriot I think it is more disgusting to have no consideration for my fellow countrymen.

> Care to elaborate?

Sure, IQ is not a valid measure of a human being, certainly not one with which to decide to exclude those seeking a home.

> As a patriot

Equally disgusting, patriotism is just another form of tribalism and bigotry. Patriotism, aka nationalism, isn't a thing to be proud of, it's a thing that causes hate and conflict in the world. You don't choose the country of your birth, it isn't an accomplishment to be proud of, you had nothing to do with it.

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