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Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by xapata »

DuskStar wrote: post #38
xapata wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the status quo. One could argue nearly anything is political content, or art. They're announcing that they're going to draw the line differently, not that they're drawing a line for the first time.

There are Leftist movements in the US that are arguably just as violent as those on the alt-Right. What's the chance that these policies apply to both sides equally? Given the history, I'd say not much. And I don't think that's a good thing. EDIT: Unless someone is saying that AntiFa ISN'T violent?

> What's the chance ...?

How about doing some old-fashioned data gathering for the benefit of the community? Document all violent events, how many YouTube videos are posted of each, how many are removed and how long it takes for each to be pulled down.

Without data, it's just conspiracy theory.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by xapata »

DuskStar wrote: post #31
xapata wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe. It's good to try an experiment to find out what the results are. They can always revert policies.

Arguably, the backlash from prior instances of political suppression is part of why we have the Orange Idiot as POTUS.

You can argue whatever you want as cause. Hypotheses are easy. Evidence is hard.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by mythrwy »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #78
mythrwy wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it terrifying for the "internet"? It's an action by Google, not the internet. If Google is the "internet" then maybe they shouldn't be. There isn't anything stopping folks from setting up alternative video hosting/social network sites.

There's nothing stopping you setting up your own TV station or newspaper or search engine. Just the billions of dollars and thousands of talented staff. So, yeah, for 99.999% of people it is impossible.

It probably costs like $20 and a WordPress plugin to set up a video hosting/social network site.

If that's impossible to achieve maybe there is some analogue of Darwin's law about whether your content deserves audience.

But the real thing isn't the platform. These groups are after the audience. And that I see Google as having having no moral responsibility to provide.

They aren't locked out of the internet at all or prohibited from creating/distributing content (with which I would take objection). They just can't use a private companies distribution channel at the same level as other users to get eyeballs. Cry me a river. It's not the end of the internet.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by bhami »

Let's see, this is the same Google/ YouTube that marks dozens of PragerU videos as "restricted", despite three Wall Street Journal editorials protesting that. The same YouTube that has been demonetizing Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones, and other conservatives. In summary, Google has long proven that they have an unapologetic Leftist agenda.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by bhami »

Let's see, this is the same Google/ YouTube that marks dozens of PragerU videos as "restricted", despite three Wall Street Journal editorials protesting that. The same YouTube that has been demonetizing Paul Joseph Watson, Alex Jones, and other conservatives. In summary, Google has long proven that they have an unapologetic Leftist agenda.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by sidcool »

DuskStar wrote: post #18

"Third, we will be taking a tougher stance on videos that do not clearly violate our policies — for example, videos that contain inflammatory religious or supremacist content. In future these will appear behind an interstitial warning and they will not be monetised, recommended or eligible for comments or user endorsements. That means these videos will have less engagement and be harder to find. We think this strikes…

I feel it's next to impossible to apply this objectively

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by TeMPOraL »

mtgx wrote: post #54
nabla9 wrote: post #29

In the west terrorism works trough media exposure. Fighting it in media is good strategy. Violence itself is ridiculously low volume per capita. If traditional media would step in, it would be major win. Instead of having symbiotic relationship with terrorism, where they hype up the terror, they could stick to reporting the facts and situation and not providing non-stop terror-porn entertainment to audience. Once peo…

Yes. This is most obvious when comparing say an "ISIS inspired gun attack that killed 3 people" vs a ransom mass shooting attack where 20 died. The former is way more mediatized reported on, while on the latter it's recommended "not to politicize the event." But for the terror attack every war-nut and surveillance nut come out to call for bigger military budgets and more surveillance.

And across the pond, such news are also used as a proof that immigrants fleeing the Middle East are evil terrorists and will kill us all.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by TeMPOraL »

codedokode wrote: post #79
bandushrew wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't care if people "support" various forms of extreme violence by watching youtube movies. That is WAY better than supporting it by committing various forms of extreme violence. Is there any actual evidence that these youtube videos are in fact driving people to commit acts of terrorism?

Why then are they posted?

In hope they'll make people become terrorists. That is not the same as observing those videos actually do it.

Also, some of them are probably posted just so that the Western media can find them and scare the population shitless with them, pumping the huge autoimmune response we have wrt. terrorism here.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by akerro »

dcow wrote: post #12

I am vehemently opposed to babysitting society, but violence is not speech, it's action. That much seems fair. I do worry about step 3. It sounds like that's going to silence a lot of minority opinions or screw over groups who post no-so-liberal commentary videos etc. Anything hiding behind an interstitial is just crackpot conspiracy theory.. Google is a negative influence on society bleep. Zap.

Google will cut-out minorities, political opinion that will negatively impact Google if they became popular. Easy solution is to become a sheriff of the Internet and silence those people asap.

Re: Four steps we’re taking today to fight online terror

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Post by nippples »

> We have also recently committed to working with industry colleagues—including Facebook, Microsoft, and Twitter

All of those platforms that are notoriously bad at curbing terrorism and great at promoting the most asinine "I can't believe it's not a troll" social justice concerns.

Also, not to mention present day Twitter gets a lot of money from wahabbi-funding Saudi Royals: https://qz.com/131532/meet-the-people-and-funds-that-stand-t...

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