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I have had multiple affluent friends who are absolutely non-tech non-geek ask me what are the hot coins. They're shoveling tens of thousands of dollars into Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Ripple based entirely on the fact that there's a run up happening. They have no understanding of what it is and the intention is sell to the greater fool after another 10x move. Maybe it isn't a bubble, but it sure does walk like a duck and…
are these guy all gonna sell at 10k? I'm not rich and love the idea of BTC, but the gambler in me is looking to 10k - mainly b/c I think thats what the ppl with real money on the table are looking to
Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
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Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
To provide a context here - one of the key value propositions of BTC is real interest rate. Cash real interest rate: 0% interest - 2% inflation through debasing currency = -2% BTC real interest rate: 0% interest - 0% inflation = 0% Note how this benefit of BTC is not bubbly by itself (growth expectation usually is - due to it being based on past growth)
Prices only remain flat (0% inflation) if no increase in productivity occurs. 2% inflation doesn't mean the currency has been debased by 2%, it means: if it has become x % cheaper to produce a basket of goods -- and the price of this basket of goods has increased by 2% -- the currency has been devalued by (2+x)%. Producers are constantly competing to cut the costs of production, in order to gain market share at the e…
Yes, inflation can have other reasons than debasement (for example, productivity decrease) but this affects both types of "money" - fiat and bitcoin, so I left it out to keep it simple
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deflationary is not a bad thing at all - though I realize that most of mainstream economics thinks it is. A few thoughts on that: - Real wages rise when the currency deflates (good for working class, think about the effect of wealth inequality) - Debt becomes a problem (bad for indebted, such as government) The main official reason why deflation would be a bad thing is that it discourages spending. I think it discour…
I agree with the traditional view about deflation. It is bad, especially for the workers, who have almost no money to save, thus they do not get any of the benefits, but they take the most burden, as they must spend almost all of their income on survival. On the other hand others with more income have their savings growing in value, thus not spending, making consumption fall, which renders workers unneeded, etc... ab…
- until an amount in your possession has been spent, you can avoid that anyone knows who the corresponding BTC belong to (= you) by just using a new address when receiving the coins. Public knowledge about "having possessed coins" is only after a transaction and only if the random guy new that at least one of the last sources belonged to you.
- when you send BTC somewhere, nobody knows if these still belong to you if all outgoing amounts are sent to new addresses.
- There are "mixing services" that intend to "mix" amounts of several addresses, so traceability can be mitigated but IMO people have mixed feelings about them.
- There might be legal issues in case traceability becomes much better. E.g., coins might be blacklisted because they were gained illegally. Since you can trace those coins, it could be legally possible (though technically challenging) to "forbid" these coins and accuse of money laundering whoever accepted them anyway.
- There are other coins that are more concerned with this, I think monero (See sibling comment) is the most popular. You can always check what the dark market accepts to see what's good for you :)
- Finally, one mitigation is to keep only small amounts in many addresses, so all your counterparties only know a subbranch of your "transaction DAG" ("directed acyclic graph").
My own take is that all this means that nobody can ever track with certainty how much you have, only your "turnover". This holds as long as your counterparties (e.g., exchanges or employer) are not compromised and sufficiently well intended.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Deflationary is not a bad thing at all - though I realize that most of mainstream economics thinks it is. A few thoughts on that: - Real wages rise when the currency deflates (good for working class, think about the effect of wealth inequality) - Debt becomes a problem (bad for indebted, such as government) The main official reason why deflation would be a bad thing is that it discourages spending. I think it discour…
I agree with the traditional view about deflation. It is bad, especially for the workers, who have almost no money to save, thus they do not get any of the benefits, but they take the most burden, as they must spend almost all of their income on survival. On the other hand others with more income have their savings growing in value, thus not spending, making consumption fall, which renders workers unneeded, etc... ab…
If prices deflate 5%, a worker can buy 5% more of his salary, making him effectively richer (ceteris paribus). There is no need for savings, future income is sufficient.
Secondary effects like unemployment are likely to occur but still you'd need to show that 5% of deflation cause 5% workers dismissed so that the net effect is the same. If only 3% of the workforce are dismissed, the poorer got effectively richer.
Tech products have been deflating constantly, yet no one stopped buying them (to the contrary, they got cheap enough so that a lot of people were able to buy them, think smartphones).
So you might not agree with me on a general rule but bear in mind deflation has positive effects. All innovation causes deflation.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
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I'm pretty high on crypto; my full-time job is writing and auditing smart contracts on Ethereum. Which message board do you recommend for me?
If there's any overload of work, I would definitely be interested to talk with you.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#86Can we get this renamed to reflect that that is a cryptocurrency bubble and not a "crypto bubble"? It certainly isn't discussing companies working on cryptographic technologies like I initially assumed.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd say the causality is more likely to go in the opposite direction. A slowdown in China provokes a slowdown in capital flight via crypto which triggers the crash. It might actually be the canary in the coal mine of a global recession. Barring significant positive reform in Chinese capital markets as an alternative explanation, I am going to start getting scared when I see a crash in the Vancouver, BC real estate ma…
I think a slowdown in China would actually accelerate capital outflows and further inflate crytocurrency valuations.
And the PRB has been slowly ratcheting down the markup they pay on US dollars as an export subsidy, so the incentive to convert US dollars to renminbi relative to offshoring earnings via bitcoin or other channels has been declining over the past few years. Just to clarify what I mean because a lot of people don't realize this, but many Chinese exporters receive payment for goods in US dollars (or other foreign currency). The People's Republic Bank of China (their central bank) purchases those dollars with renminbi at a markup over the fair market value, basically giving the Chinese exporters a subsidy. That's part of why the PRB has such enormous US Treasury holdings. They bought so many US dollars that they couldn't invest them in anything other than US Treasuries. A billion dollars in cash is an asset. A trillion is an unmanageable inflation risk.
The PRB has been trying to move away from that model because they know it isn't long-term sustainable. So as that implicit subsidy declines, Chinese manufacturers receiving US dollars find alternative methods for converting their excess currency, such as BTC or other foreign currencies (e.g. the Canadian dollar), relatively more attractive.
The bottom line is that anyone who can afford to expatriate their capital has been doing so at the maximum viable rate for a long time now. A slowdown would simply reduce the amount that is available to expatriate, decreasing the US dollar -> BTC purchases and accelerating the BTC -> hard foreign assets such as real estate, reducing the total market cap for BTC. It's also possible the PRB might react to a slowdown by once again increasing the implicit export subsidy, which would divert funds from BTC transactions back into renminbi and further accelerate a crypto crash.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#88Respectfully, I think a lot of comments on this topic are missing the point of the author's advice. Whether there is or is not a bubble, and if there is, how big that bubble might get, are irrelevant here. That's not what this article is about. First, the author assumes there is a bubble brewing. That's not his thesis; that's his background assumption. His thesis is that, assuming there is a bubble , you should do X,…
"Market cap" is the most-quoted vanity metric of the cryptocurrency market. A more reasonable measure of the value of a cryptocurrency would be the following: if it were possible to create an infinite number of currency units, how much USD/EUR/etc. could be earned by selling everything into the market? In other words, the more reasonable metric is the sum of all (cryptocurrency) buy orders. If we use the Bitcoin/USD…
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
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I think you're right mostly but missing a key point. Crypto's value is inversely proportional to faith in government backed currencies in places with high internet penetration. So in the US, it's actual value is quite low because we have an extremely strong currency and well developed payment systems. In China, faith in the government-backed currency (renminbi) and the investment options available in that denominatio…
> China...government restrictions on expatriating capital, crypto becomes a valuable alternative denomination Money is expatriated via Bitcoin from the PRC to, say, Vancouver. The point is that with a currency, people would be comfortable leaving it as Canadian dollars or US dollars. This is not what happens though, the Bitcoin is converted to Canadian dollars, and is then perhaps converted into other things, such as…
No one is OK leaving their money in hard currency. That's why we invest it, or put it in interest bearing accounts. Leaving it under your mattress leads to losses to inflation. In that sense, currency is very much like a gallon of milk or a concert ticket, though it loses its value much more slowly in a healthy economy.
With BTC, we actually have the opposite problem, deflation. It is increasing in value every day, whereas with a normal fiat currency it is more efficient to have a low, stable rate of inflation (where the individual unit of currency loses its value over time).
So I don't disagree with you completely. You're right that BTC should be more like a concert ticket than it is. The important question is why it isn't.
Re: Lessons I Learned from the Dotcom Bubble for the Coming Cryptocurrency Bubble
#90The difference is the dot-com stocks had some theoretical value - even Pets.com, people buy pet supplies online after all. Unlike commodities, equities and so forth, cryptocoins have no value whatsoever. So to try to make it sound like it has worth, its pushers have to cast about for anything they can and finally come upon the only thing they can - the dollar. In fact, they say, it's even better than the dollar. It w…
Ripple also has value for ForEx settlement, which currently can take on the order of days. Also, it can function as a universal liquidator.
The -coins though, are ephemeral. Only the underlying Blockchain tech is of any use.