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Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by realonedev »

flak48 wrote: post #74
realonedev wrote: post #28

I belong to the third world of the third world. State called Uttar Pradesh. If you consider India as 3rd world, then UP is 3rd world of India. Here are the emotional benefits of Aadhar : My parents don't have to bribe the local gas connections distribution agents. Which means, No need to stay in long queue from 8 In the morning, not to get your cooking cylinder, but to pay the bribe. Since the government has advertis…

>Not many these so called privacy and human rights activists stood up then. The current PM Modi himself criticized it then : https://twitter.com/narendramodi/status/453543852175925248?l... Coincidence?

He asked questions about implementation.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

realonedev wrote: post #28

I belong to the third world of the third world. State called Uttar Pradesh. If you consider India as 3rd world, then UP is 3rd world of India. Here are the emotional benefits of Aadhar : My parents don't have to bribe the local gas connections distribution agents. Which means, No need to stay in long queue from 8 In the morning, not to get your cooking cylinder, but to pay the bribe. Since the government has advertis…

The track record of power-centralising anti-corruption projects is poor. This is because corruption is a sign of weak or ineffective institutions. Institutions which can't stop bribery probably can't prevent the next guy from e.g. zeroing out the bank accounts of vulnerable populations who voted against him or are to the detriment of a crony.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by abhishivsaxena »

shiven wrote: post #76
abhishivsaxena wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How come you don't know that 99% adults have Aaadhaar in India at last count? Or if you knew still decided to raise this point.

Where are you getting the 99% number? Any proof of that?

93% in 2015 according to UIDAI - http://www.firstpost.com/india/about-93-percent-of-adults-in...

99% in 2017 according to the the minister - http://www.thehindu.com/business/Aadhaar-covers-99-of-adults...

1.11+ B people

All this is easily googleable. I fail to understand why you and the OP wouldn't just check it before fear mongering.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by realonedev »

splintercell wrote: post #80
petertodd wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Propaganda? Your 30 minute old account sounds like propaganda too. We all know we could reduce crime by putting cameras in people's homes. But we don't do that, because there are risks to those kinds of invasive measures. Aadhar is infrastructure that allows for centralized control of the population. Sometimes that control will be used for good things, like stamping out bribery. But that control can just as easily be…

> We all know we could reduce crime by putting cameras in people's homes. But we don't do that, because there are risks to those kinds of invasive measures. Surprisingly, in India if people would be against such a measure then only because it would violate the modesty of women, and not because it invades the privacy.

Refer,

https://thewire.in/24713/aadhaar-identification-simplified-m...

The UIDAI has emphasised several times that information related to religion or caste is neither collected nor stored in the Aadhaar database. Applicants and holders are encouraged to look at their Aadhaar to confirm this

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by hackuser »

realonedev wrote: post #70
ganduG wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice deflection! Are you disagreeing that voter lists were used in 2001 to discriminate against muslims? Do we have any laws preventing that from happening with aadhar data?

Do you even understand how Aadhar works? You made a claim. Can you prove that using an Aadhar number one can get the religion of a person?

If you can identify someone, it's easy to link it to data that identifies their religion.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by shiven »

timwaagh wrote: post #14

i get it. big brother is watching us. now im going to eat my pizza. big brother can watch if he likes.

you eat pizza, li'l brother. just don't play with my toys, or do anything you like but i don't. sooner or later, i may decide to come by and kick you butt for fun, just don't run. remember, i'm always watching.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by aub3bhat »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #61
aub3bhat wrote: post #6

This is ridiculous fearmongering at a scale unseen before, given the enormous amount of corruption in Indian public distribution schemes, Aadhar has potential to be revolutionary in not only reducing corruption but also in providing poor people in India with assistance that they currently lack. Its easy to be a rich and employed in SF and pontificate about how other countries should run their government. Mozilla is e…

> fearmongering at a scale unseen before Such hyperbole weakens your argument. It's borderline zealous. I don't think you are a zealot and I think you have a valid argument, although I disagree with you. But expressing good thoughts in hyperbole is not effective here. (Another example is the "no right to criticise" argument. Nobody cares who has a legal right to do disagree. This isn't a court of law. All we care abo…

"fearmongering at a scale unseen before" is reasonable response when the argument uses words like "dystopian".

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by hackuser »

mundanevoice wrote: post #20

All people criticising Aadhar for being insecure frankly don't have a real solution in place. Being an Indian citizen I know and have experienced benefit owing to Aadhar. I get subsidies from the government, one uniform identity that I can use to get important things. Coming to the security part, which centralised biometric DB doesn't have risks. Social Security Number in the US is pretty similar. No one gets securit…

> which centralised biometric DB doesn't have risks. Social Security Number in the US is pretty similar.

There are no biometrics associated with Social Security. It's just an ID number.

Re: Aadhaar isn’t progress – it’s dystopian and dangerous

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Post by ganduG »

abhishivsaxena wrote: post #63
schoen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aadhaar is fundamentally different than a National ID which every other country in this world has. Not the United States! Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_identity_card... seems to suggest national IDs are voluntary in 15 countries, nonexistent in 9, and mandatory in 82. One thing that seems possibly significant is that six of the non-mandatory ones include the entirety of the "Anglosphere". htt…

Aadhaar has the same data that your US birth certificate has. Name/DOB/gender/Address-if-available. Unless I'm mistaken everyone in US has a Birth Certificate. EDIT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EDIT An birth certificate is also an ID. There's no rational reason of being proud of not having a national ID, when you have mandatory birth registrations and birth certificates. If anything Aadhaar store less information than your BC…

A birth certificate isn't required in the US for every single transaction you make.
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