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Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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I just signed up and created #liberalism to test it out. Worked just fine https://voten.co/c/liberalism

Me too, I've created #Communism, works for me too. I didn't like how I had to subscribe to other channels before it let me make my own, though. https://voten.co/c/communism/

Yeah, I edited my response to point out I think I hit a bug.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

> who's gonna switch to this I wonder if the removal of CSS from the subreddits will give other message boards a chance to splinter off some of the community.

I think they backtracked on the CSS removal.

Still, something like CSS removal, spezgiving, or Pao happening again could easily trigger a migration. Voat didn't take off simply because it couldn't handle the load when those events occurred.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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As with voat.co, who's gonna switch to this? Really the only people who switched over to Voat are the people who felt reddit was restricting their rights by posting controversial/hateful material on reddit. So it tends to be full of /pol-like MRAs/extreme right/alt-right users. Voten seems like it's trying to implement a more democratic system, but who will be pushed into switching over to that?

All of these alternatives are going to run into this same kind of trouble unless they have real financial backing, because the incentive to switch is just not there for most users. New users have to be brought in, which is very expensive, and the community will almost certainly have to be salted with astroturf, as reddit was in days of yore.

Over the years I've been surprised at the "stickiness" of user habits. They can have every reason to switch to another site and still refuse to do so, preferring the old habit. Communities do occasionally move, but it's hard to make it happen.

The other issue is that reddit is an inlet, a way for communities to get traffic and find each other. This is partially because of the inadequacy of search engines like Google, which have been thoroughly gamed for the last decade or so, such that they almost always prefer crappy, highly-commercialized results that have been "SEO-optimized" v. organic, real-person-generated content.

A reddit competitor would need to address a) user stickiness, and unwillingness to give up old habits; and b) supply a stable quantity of new users to keep the community active and alive.

Do bear in mind that reddit itself generally has a reputation as a "dark corner of the internet" in the public mind. There is probably room for something more widely accessible if it can somehow control the user intake and avoid an "anything goes" atmosphere.

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A lot of people feel that Reddit is overmoderated - there was that controversy recently where one of the employees admitted manually altering a bunch of content (removing pro-Trump submissions and comments). Also I imagine any general forum like Reddit wouldn't retain its power users for more than a few years at most. At a given time, most users are either at the point where they don't get any of the inside jokes, or…

> A lot of people feel that Reddit is overmoderated - A tiny handful of people feel that Reddit is over moderated, and those people went to voat or 8chan. Everyone else thinks there's not enough moderation on Reddit. When you ask people what the good bits of Reddit are they almost always talk about the most heavily moderated sub-Reddits, which is telling.

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Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Best of luck. Reddit needs a good kick in the arse. Since shortly before Steve Huffman's (Spez) return, Reddit has adopted a policy of top-down content curation - banning controversial subreddits, changing the voting algorithm to dis-favor /r/the_donald, and most recently introducing /r/popular which is basically /r/all without that pesky /r/the_donald subreddit (ffs just man up and ban the group rather than pretending to support the free exchange of ideas).

Reddit management prefers for their website to only showcase non-controversial content in order to attract advertisers. Which is their right, but I'm rooting for the disruptive upcomer that will kill that website like Reddit originally did to Digg back when Reddit was cool and stood for something.

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To be fair, "logging in" is just making a username and password. No Email is required. That's really not a huge deal to me, but maybe others disagree.

It's a huge deal if you care about conversion. Anyone with web experience should know this.

Are you talking about converting people from Reddit to Voten? Maybe the point is that they want more people to actively contribute rather than just lurk? It could just be a different opinion on what a Reddit alternative could look like.

Re: Voten.co, a Real-Time Reddit Alternative Launches Public Beta

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Reminds me of Prismatic. I'm still sad that site isn't around anymore. They were doing some great ML research.

The combined this category based UX with recommendation algorithms and social indicators. Worked well. But I believe they had trouble monetizing it or potentially growing it to scale.

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Signed up, wandered around, here are my impression. * Nothing fancy, nothing new, nothing impressive. I wouldn't spend time on this site. * The graphical design wasters most of my screen estate. * The side panel overlaps with the content when the window is not in full-screen. * If you register without an email, it is impossible to add one. * Did I mention that 60% of my screen estate is wasted ? * Reddit is open sour…

totally agree with you, in addition:

the site should really show its content at first page instead of hiding it behind login or signup.

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I assume NodeJS is used just as a WebSocket server for their real-time events, doing that in PHP would be a bit uncomfortable.

doing that in PHP would be a bit uncomfortable. Why? PHP works fine as a daemon, there are many servers written in pure PHP, as well as frameworks for "async" programming.

It is uncomfortable, sadly. At the very least PHP Ratchet is not quite integrated with Laravel and the easy route is to use Node.

https://github.com/laravel/echo

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