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Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Are 90-minute classes the norm? I dont have my old timetablez, but it think 60 minute classes were our norm, with much shorter breaks between.

Increasingly so. ~90 minute "block" classes are fairly common at the high school level in the US.

90 minutes is too long. I remember lots of rushing between classes. We didn't sit for a 90 minutes in one room. Much of this talk about getting the blood flowing during lectures would probably be addressed through shorter classes; Not dedicated exercise but the simple act of getting up and walking from one class to the other more often.

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13 years in a designated place of learning is worth less than 1 year in unstructured freedom, according to OP. It's ironic because for OP a place where you are suppose to learn is not a good place to learn

I learned more about technical writing from The Elements of Style and a one-semester university course that I ever did from 13 years of public schooling. I learned more about creative writing from being an immortal on a MUD and contributing to the underground newspaper than from anything I ever did in classes. What I learned from the public school system was that I was not a good writer, and didn't know how to apprec…

> But I consider Planescape: Torment to be a better work of art. It isn't in a standard poetic form, though.

Mmm. There's some of that, yes, but I think it'd fail for not being so entirely sublime as the best canonical works of prose and poetry (and art, generally). It avoids some of the drudgery of its genre, yes, but while much of the "waiting for the pathfinding to take The Nameless One from one side of this room I've already seen 10 times to the other" might be fine in a narrow sort of way, given enough of it (and there is enough of it), that probably takes it out of the running for any sort of grand cross-medium canonical great-art-of-all-time collection.

Unless you cleverly add constant wonder and discovery or some kind of emotional connection to the gamey-because-this-is-what-games-do bits (or cut them, somehow, without making it Not A Game) it's like a film with a great story and acting, but poorly-selected shot framing and uninspired editing constantly working against it.

Say it's in a genre you like a lot, though, and maybe you'd feel put-out that it's not being shown in film courses, because you don't notice the parts that aren't so good or could easily have been much better and better served the film's purpose, and besides most of the movies in the genre you like are that way, so what's the big deal? Certainly you like it much better than Kurosawa or Truffaut or whoever's in the curriculum.

FWIW the only real masterpiece of a game I can think of that I've played, in that kind of broad all-of-human-art sense, with a real understanding of its sources, its direction, art in a larger sense, the games that have come before it, and the way games work and how it can use that constantly to its advantage for more than just occupying the player's time, is Kentucky Route Zero. I've never seen the game-parts of games used in such a literary fashion before, with everything else also coming together nicely. Just beautiful. And I've played and enjoyed lots of games.

[EDIT] The Witness shows signs of qualifying, too, but I haven't played enough to be sure, and it's the kind of thing that needs good follow-through to fully work. Gotta get back to that one and finish it.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Those are some awesome takeaways. I think that by the time you're a teacher, you forget what it's like to be a student. One of my biggest complaints with class is that its entirely passive learning and I am a completely hands on person. Additionally, after reading pedagogy of the oppressed, it's very easy to get bitter with education in general.

The egg timer seemed like an amazing idea: set an egg timer every time I get up to talk and all eyes are on me. When the timer goes off, I am done. End of story. I can go on and on. I love to hear myself talk. I often cannot shut up. This is not really conducive to my students’ learning, however much I might enjoy it. Many teachers feel compelled to talk because they have a captive audience, so they prattle on about…

Sounds very similar to the Pomodoro Technique[0] in a way.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomodoro_Technique

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

13 years in a designated place of learning is worth less than 1 year in unstructured freedom, according to OP. It's ironic because for OP a place where you are suppose to learn is not a good place to learn

I learned more about technical writing from The Elements of Style and a one-semester university course that I ever did from 13 years of public schooling. I learned more about creative writing from being an immortal on a MUD and contributing to the underground newspaper than from anything I ever did in classes. What I learned from the public school system was that I was not a good writer, and didn't know how to apprec…

Really sucks to hear this, I might have just got lucky but I had a great teacher. I started learning programming on Q basic. I remember learning about Boolean and keywords like 'IF' for the first time, ah how far we come along... He did a great job of applying the real world and other classes to the class room. Most of the programs we created were to improve current software that was already released. Not sure if I just got extremely lucky but most teacher that I had in HS were really fun and interactive.

The best example I have was when he brought in other classes into his. Our classroom was small about 5 people and all of us were taking Physics and Uni Math (In Ontario you have different streams of Math and physics is an elective). We created a small gravity / momentum / acceleration and deceleration game. We had to apply certain formulas from physics class and math. As the course progressed we started doing more complex tests and implementations I think it really help solidify the physics course because we where going through documentation more and reading outside of course material for the resources which then applied back to the classroom afterwords.

But the main reason why I really got into programming was a story that he told the class. A power plant of sorts was having issues with hydro costs. the prices would increase at certain times throughout the day and decrease in others. This facility didn't need all the machinery working all the time so he was brought in to build an optimal solution which sadly was simplified to a y=m*x+b and checking it's slope then based on a bunch of different conditions certain machines would be powered off and then when the slope started to balance back out and go below a certain value it would turn on machines in the expected order of importance.

I'm not sure why, but I guess this story to a 9 grades just made this field feel like we can apply theory from a bunch of different fields and If I ever get bored in 1 area I can always take time to learn another field and apply programming to it. But programmers will always be employed for the foreseeable future and that was a huge worry in my mind at the time but seems everything turns out alright.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Add metal detectors, wands, and barbed wire to the mix and you'll really know what it's like for some inner city high school kids (like myself once upon a time). Kids today have more time away from school than I did, I had more time away from school than my parents did, this article wasn't much of an eye opener, sorry. Personally, high school is a waste, a transition period for students to truly find what they want o…

Yesterday there was a discussion here about antidepressants. I was tempted to jump in and comment that: sometimes depression isn't clinical, it can also be situational, that I had tried SSRIs and gotten nowhere, and the only thing that cured my depression was dropping out of college and finally getting a real life started. School is a nightmare. Mix in bullying, antipathetic adults who behave like prison guards, teen…

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Sitting for hours is bad ok... For a long time I was a smoker, I would often walk out of the building with others, and take a break. Talking about their or my problem of the minute. One of the other engineers who DIDNT smoke started coming out with us when we went. After a few weeks he noted out loud how his productivity had been UP since he started taking the journey with us. It seems counter intuitive that getting…

Since when is it counter-intuitive that exercise is good? I'd have thought the opposite.

Probably because people don't view walking 500 steps at 1.5 mph, standing for 5 minutes, then returning as exercise. Unless there are stairs or a significant incline, there isn't a readily noticeable change in heart rate nor breathing pattern. So most people probably view moseying around the office for a couple of minutes as a waste of time.

One of the best things I did was setting an alarm to get up every 60 minutes. But then I followed it too religiously by getting up damn near immediately. That broke productivity. I found a happy medium by finding an adequate stopping point and then getting up.

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Cut and pasted: Are paywalls ok? It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. Now before you 'noob' me I did put in some effort. The old "google the title and click thru from google" doesn't work. Ghostery isn't helping. Adblock Plus isn't helping. Its a clickbait article and there's nothing wrong with that bu…

The 'web' link is supposed to take you to the "google the title and click through from google" trick. When I clicked on the link directly I did not get a paywall. FWIW I do not have ABP.

Thank you for the kind effort. But my result was none the less the paywall overlay "You obviously love great journalism.

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Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Are 90-minute classes the norm? I dont have my old timetablez, but it think 60 minute classes were our norm, with much shorter breaks between.

Increasingly so. ~90 minute "block" classes are fairly common at the high school level in the US.

My middle school kids have English Lit as a block.

Honestly, as a grade school kid if I was reading something I enjoyed, 90 minutes was not much of an achievement. You can will yourself thru something you hate for 45 minutes, gym class perhaps. You probably have to be a grown adult (or older) to tolerate something like a worthless 90 minute class or business meeting.

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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HS is not preparation for work. It would be more useful if it was, actually. But it's not, and it doesn't pretend to be. My high school had some really knowledgable and inspiring teachers (and many not so!). Some of those great teachers were able to plant seeds of thought with their lectures, and those were some of the most valuable lessons I had. I wish HS could involve inspiring, knowledgeable teachers, plus self-s…

If you could try to be a bit more cynical you'll see that HS is preparation for most jobs. We line all your desks up in nice neat rows, conformity is mandatory so we may even put you in uniforms. We don't want you ever questioning authority. We want you to sit here quietly and do mindless work for countless hours with minimal rewards. Most jobs out there are not inspiring or in anyone's intellectual interests.

Don't forget the open office, the clock is the definition of successful working, authoritarian discipline.

Add in a social / political culture that is right out of middle school behavior at the worse employers...

Re: Teacher spends two days as a student (2014)

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Because you get group projects at work, And the groups at work rarely have good ideas or grasp material well enough to work on it.

"Group projects" at work are completely different from group projects in school. Work generally has managers. If someone isn't pulling their weight in a project, there's someone you can talk to about it and have something done about it. People have their income on the line. At school, my teachers were almost always explicit about not wanting to manage. "Organize yourselves". There were countless times I had lazy proj…

Consider bigger companies where the enemies of middle managers are all other internal departments. Technically IT and engineering work for the same company. In practice you're more likely to get cooperation with a competitor company. I'm not exaggerating in that its easier to serve on standards committees than to get an exception to "policy" from another department. The "dog eat dog" happens at middle management not grunt front line level, but it's there...
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