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Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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The standard advice I've heard is: Work for defense companies to learn the technology, and then leave to transfer this technology toward peaceful (and often lucrative) applications. Swords into Ploughshares.

Speaking for the U.S. context only: once you have a security clearance, which will become necessary at some point for defence work, it becomes difficult to move out to non-classified work. On one hand, the pool of people with clearances is smaller than the general labor pool, so you can have a higher salary & benefits, therefore it's more attractive to stay at that kind of work. On the other hand, prospective employe…

You are correct (IME) in your first point, about the difficulty of moving away from the high salary and benefits associated with cleared jobs, but not really on the second one.

Doing secure work means you can't take any confidential information with you when you leave, and it might slightly limit what you can talk about, but it doesn't mean you can't say anything about the work you did. You can still talk about your role and skillset, usually about the languages and technologies (and COTS products) used.

Many government IT projects mandate security-cleared developers because the systems touch classified information, but that doesn't mean that the systems themselves (their existence, basic design, etc.) are classified. There's really no difference between having a project like that on your resume, and any other commercial-sector project that's internal use only.

If you're working or considering working on a clearance-required project, it's not unreasonable to ask to talk with the security officer beforehand to clear up exactly what you'll be able to put on your resume and discuss after the fact ... and price yourself accordingly.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

#82
post #3

You should hire me instead of him. I've been using python to do statistics and machine learning in a bioinformatics context for the last 15 years. Plus, if you don't, I'll kill this puppy. Isn't he cute? You wouldn't want to be responsible for his death, would you?

Your criticism is right, this is a sensationalist appeal. Do you think I shouldn't have made it?

If it works, nothing wrong with playing sensationalist games and since you anonymized yourself, well kudos for having balls to take a shot. I personally can't imagine it being particularly effective vs just talking about your skills, but if you went this far did you post it on craigslist in SF, LA, NYC as well?

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

#83
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The down voting is really strange. If he is Israeli, and in his mid twenties then he has already served in the IDF, likely in a CS capacity. Also if he was Sherut Leumi, then I wouldn't think he would apply for a military contract job in the first place. Furthermore, its especially difficult for people with highly desirable backgrounds like CS or engineering to get Sherut approval. My only point was that an Israeli i…

The only explanation I can think of for you being downvoted is, well, ignorance. Perhaps HNers are not familiar with Israel's policy of mandatory military service and thought your remark was somehow prejudiced. As far as small aggressive countries that _aren't_ Israel, how about Georgia, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, or Greece?

Was trying to figure it out too. The problem is the dual criteria:

famously aggressive + develops their own military technology.

Who is known for developing their own military technology? US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Iraq (the last two only if WMD accusations are true)...?

Pretty much everyone else buys their military technology from China, Russia, US, France, or Israel, be it AK47s, F15s, or silkworm and exocet missiles.

So, which among the countries that manufacture military hardware are famously aggressive? Well, lately that's pretty much the US and Israel. Maybe Russia with the Chechen and Georgian thing, and maybe China with Tibet and threats vs. Taiwan. North Korea, but is anyone there actually allowed to learn English much less programming?

'Little' I also took to be diminutive, not literal.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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post #60

I have a problem believing this is about Israel since: a) Defense companies in Israel _do not_ offer "very good salary." In fact, it is a generally accepted fact that they universally offer lower salaries than civilian companies. This is offset somewhat by the benefits that stem from being a large and influential enterprise as well as the inherent governmental bureaucracy. b) Engineers at Israeli defense firms don't…

Maybe Taiwan, Korea or Singapore.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

#85
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only explanation I can think of for you being downvoted is, well, ignorance. Perhaps HNers are not familiar with Israel's policy of mandatory military service and thought your remark was somehow prejudiced. As far as small aggressive countries that _aren't_ Israel, how about Georgia, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, or Greece?

Was trying to figure it out too. The problem is the dual criteria: famously aggressive + develops their own military technology. Who is known for developing their own military technology? US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Iraq (the last two only if WMD accusations are true)...? Pretty much everyone else buys their military technology from China, Russia, US, France, or Isr…

I'm fairly certain Pakistan also develops its military hardware in house, it is a a large weapon exporter after all.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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Was trying to figure it out too. The problem is the dual criteria: famously aggressive + develops their own military technology. Who is known for developing their own military technology? US, Russia, China, Britain, France, Germany, Sweden, Israel, North Korea, Iran, Iraq (the last two only if WMD accusations are true)...? Pretty much everyone else buys their military technology from China, Russia, US, France, or Isr…

I'm fairly certain Pakistan also develops its military hardware in house, it is a a large weapon exporter after all.

see those were my two guesses: Taiwan or Pakistan.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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post #56
post #49

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Aggressive maybe , but by which standards is the UK "little"?

Area? Population? It's certainly not large.

Is this an intellectual exercise? Hmmm, how about large when consider by Economic Efficiency (as measured by output / land use)?

GDP / Land mass.

  UK: ~8,780,428 (  2,139,000,000,000 /   243,610 ) [1]
  US: ~1,450,745 ( 14,256,000,000,000 / 9,826,675 ) [2]
Both end up being considered massive in comparison to my "piddly" little country:

        ~111,732 (    851,170,000,000 / 7,617,930 ) [3]
[1] UK 2009 PPP GDP estimate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom

[2] US 2010 PPP GDP estimate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States

[3] AUS 2009 PPP GDP estimate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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Don't think it's Israel, he would have already spent time in the military if he was Israeli.

The down voting is really strange. If he is Israeli, and in his mid twenties then he has already served in the IDF, likely in a CS capacity. Also if he was Sherut Leumi, then I wouldn't think he would apply for a military contract job in the first place. Furthermore, its especially difficult for people with highly desirable backgrounds like CS or engineering to get Sherut approval. My only point was that an Israeli i…

I don't think this is reason enough for downvoting, but I'm not sure how "he would have already spent time in the military if he was Israeli" is relevant. Nothing that he says implies that he hasn't spent time in the military.

Re: Somebody please hire me before I take a job in weapon development

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Heh, when he said an aggressive little country the first thought that came to my mind was Georga.

Really? My first thought was Switzerland.

I assumed it was the US and "little" was sarcastic.
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