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Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by icebraining »

woofyman wrote: post #78
ianamartin wrote: post #72

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Uber putting unlicensed self-driven cars that run stop lights puts people in danger. Has Theranos falsified tests that people need to survive? I don't think so. Maybe back up on that endangering people's lives, or--if I'm wrong about Theranos--at least place them as equals. Does it matter that Mayer built a nursery? I can't see how that's not a total non sequitur. Calling out latent sexism where people think they are…

>Does it matter that Mayer built a nursery? I can't see how that's not a total non sequitur. Her employees can't work from home and be with their young children while she gets an in office nursery.

Sure they can, thanks to the maternity leave that she extended to sixteen weeks. Meanwhile, she only took two weeks for herself.

In any case, it's absurd to compare the CEO. Do Amazon employees get to ride on Bezos' jet to get home faster? It's just a vastly different position.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by Mz »

icebraining wrote: post #75
Mz wrote: post #70

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White males commit more murders than black males. Black males typically do more time on average. It is a little like that. It isn't proportional. Jessica Livingston is one of the two people who dreamed up YC. Paul Graham soon wrangled his previous confounders in on it. I hear vastly more about the three male cofounders than I do about the one female cofounder. Nor do I ever here her get credit proportional to PG. He…

You see, sometimes one's perception of reality is just very different. For example, you say that "I hear vastly more about the three male cofounders than I do about the one female cofounder." I believe you - you hear what you hear. That said, I've been around HN for a while, yet I had to look up who the other male cofounders even were. Doing a search by their names, Jessica has easily three times more submissions abo…

Okay, run a little test: Compare Jessica to Paul Graham and Sam Altman instead of Trevor or Robert. Now, what kind of figures do you see?

She and Paul apparently cooked this idea up together. But it took forever for that detail to come out. For the longest time, my impression was that this was Paul's baby. I vaguely knew there was a female cofounder. It was much later that I heard that, really, this idea was her and Paul, not him and his prior cofounders.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by consz »

icebraining wrote: post #81
woofyman wrote: post #78

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>Does it matter that Mayer built a nursery? I can't see how that's not a total non sequitur. Her employees can't work from home and be with their young children while she gets an in office nursery.

Sure they can, thanks to the maternity leave that she extended to sixteen weeks. Meanwhile, she only took two weeks for herself. In any case, it's absurd to compare the CEO. Do Amazon employees get to ride on Bezos' jet to get home faster? It's just a vastly different position.

What are you supposed to do after the sixteen weeks?

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by darawk »

Mz wrote: post #80
darawk wrote: post #79

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> I used to not hesitate to defend my views on HN. The result: I ended up rate limited, probably because as a woman, I often have a minority viewpoint. This makes me look extremely fighty merely for being willing to engage the discussion. You may be totally right about why that is, but just as a counterpoint, I get rate limited all the time too :). Maybe we're both fighty. > No, I do not believe most comments here ar…

Generally speaking, such blame occurs as subtext, not overt assertion. This is how most exclusionary, biased social stuff works. When you can't produce affirmative evidence, then you are also dismissed. And so it goes. It is a little like arguments I have heard that black Americans who sound obviously black can't qualify for a job because they aren't articulate enough and it isn't racism. My response to that is "Geor…

Hah, I just got rate limited :p. Couldn't respond for a bit.

I don't disagree with you there. Some of these things are perniciously difficult to substantiate. However, in the case you just mentioned, I think you did a decent job of substantiating it. George Bush is indeed contrary evidence to the assertion that people don't hire blacks due to inarticulateness.

Some things for sure are really difficult to substantiate though. But what is the alternative? Ultimately, to enact change, you need to convince some portion of the culture that it's the right thing to do, or that there's a problem in the first place. I think there's a lot of evidence that efforts like that have been successful over the long term in a number of different areas.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by Mz »

darawk wrote: post #85
Mz wrote: post #80

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Generally speaking, such blame occurs as subtext, not overt assertion. This is how most exclusionary, biased social stuff works. When you can't produce affirmative evidence, then you are also dismissed. And so it goes. It is a little like arguments I have heard that black Americans who sound obviously black can't qualify for a job because they aren't articulate enough and it isn't racism. My response to that is "Geor…

Hah, I just got rate limited :p. Couldn't respond for a bit. I don't disagree with you there. Some of these things are perniciously difficult to substantiate. However, in the case you just mentioned, I think you did a decent job of substantiating it. George Bush is indeed contrary evidence to the assertion that people don't hire blacks due to inarticulateness. Some things for sure are really difficult to substantiate…

Alternately, you figure out how to do it differently yourself and try to minimize the inevitable blowback that actually is about resistance to change while people swear it is not. With luck, you attract allies along the way. You quietly grow it until it is the new norm.

Odds are good, you won't get credit. If you try to take credit, people will claim you are crazy, that isn't how it happened.

Sometimes, you need to decide what you want more: To make a thing happen or to get credit for making a thing happen.

Then you sit around wondering: if a tree falls in the forest surrounded by a crowd of onlookers who all vehemently deny its very existence, did it really fall? When you look again, will it be the same as it always was?

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by icebraining »

Mz wrote: post #82
icebraining wrote: post #75

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You see, sometimes one's perception of reality is just very different. For example, you say that "I hear vastly more about the three male cofounders than I do about the one female cofounder." I believe you - you hear what you hear. That said, I've been around HN for a while, yet I had to look up who the other male cofounders even were. Doing a search by their names, Jessica has easily three times more submissions abo…

Okay, run a little test: Compare Jessica to Paul Graham and Sam Altman instead of Trevor or Robert. Now, what kind of figures do you see? She and Paul apparently cooked this idea up together. But it took forever for that detail to come out. For the longest time, my impression was that this was Paul's baby. I vaguely knew there was a female cofounder. It was much later that I heard that, really, this idea was her and…

I fully agree, PG was (and is) much more visible than Jessica.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by Mz »

icebraining wrote: post #87
Mz wrote: post #82

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Okay, run a little test: Compare Jessica to Paul Graham and Sam Altman instead of Trevor or Robert. Now, what kind of figures do you see? She and Paul apparently cooked this idea up together. But it took forever for that detail to come out. For the longest time, my impression was that this was Paul's baby. I vaguely knew there was a female cofounder. It was much later that I heard that, really, this idea was her and…

I fully agree, PG was (and is) much more visible than Jessica.

Thank you.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by woofyman »

consz wrote: post #84
icebraining wrote: post #81

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Sure they can, thanks to the maternity leave that she extended to sixteen weeks. Meanwhile, she only took two weeks for herself. In any case, it's absurd to compare the CEO. Do Amazon employees get to ride on Bezos' jet to get home faster? It's just a vastly different position.

What are you supposed to do after the sixteen weeks?

Quit your job or hire a stranger to take care of your baby.

Re: Theranos Agrees to Pay $4.65M in Arizona Refunds

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Post by consz »

woofyman wrote: post #89
consz wrote: post #84

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What are you supposed to do after the sixteen weeks?

Quit your job or hire a stranger to take care of your baby.

I mean, do you really need me to explain why people see Meyer's move as hypocritical?
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