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Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by theBobMcCormick » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 6:38 PM UTC

credo wrote: post #34

imo the "Code for Android first, and iPhone/iPad second" suggestion to "Apple developers" has very little merit for most Apple developers For developers, it will make more sense to distinguish between ideology/opinions of bloggers and cold market realities. For starters, revenue returns of Android apps are generally a small fraction of revenue returns for identical iPhone apps in spite of the fact that iPhone owners…

You make it sound like Twitter won't work on some Android phones because of hardware differences, etc. Which is completely not true.

The Twitter app will work on any Android phone running the current version of Android (2.1) and above. It won't work on older versions of the OS. That's not so complicated or unusual is it?

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by theBobMcCormick » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 6:41 PM UTC

SkyMarshal wrote: post #60

pyre wrote: post #52

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> As an example, when Twitter released their official Android Twitter app, only 27.3% of Android owners could even consider downloading it. The app wouldn't run on 82.7 of devices because of the fragmentation problem. Hopefully Twitter will get motivated enough to support Android 110%!

Hopefully Google and the Android kit makers will get motivated enough to standardize Android a bit more, enough to at least provide platform consistency across brand implementations. Also, hopefully they do it in collaboration with the hardware manufacturers, instead of in spite of them.

The problem isn't platform consistency. From an app developer (or app purchaser I suppose) perspective there's a great deal of consistency between any Android phones running the same version of the Android OS. The problem is how many phones are not only running older versions of the Android OS, but even worse how many manufacturers are currently shipping phones running older versions of the OS.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 6:42 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #54

Tichy wrote: post #42

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You fell for the marketing. Apple shows all these amazing robots and processes assembling the iPhone. What do you think the competition uses, do they carve their phones out of stones with toothpicks? They have advanced production tools, too. The N1 is a really nice phone - I prefer it to the iPhone 3G. The phone makers will continue to better each other, from keynote to keynote. Now Apple has the lead again (in some…

GP didn't mention production processes anywhere, but materials and build quality. Why are you going on about production processes?

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Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by Tichy » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 6:43 PM UTC

vidarh wrote: post #54

Tichy wrote: post #42

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You fell for the marketing. Apple shows all these amazing robots and processes assembling the iPhone. What do you think the competition uses, do they carve their phones out of stones with toothpicks? They have advanced production tools, too. The N1 is a really nice phone - I prefer it to the iPhone 3G. The phone makers will continue to better each other, from keynote to keynote. Now Apple has the lead again (in some…

GP didn't mention production processes anywhere, but materials and build quality. Why are you going on about production processes?

Because Apple displays the processes to signal the build quality. And some build processes that enable them to use special materials - which doesn't imply that the materials are superior.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by jonah » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 10:13 PM UTC

Tichy wrote: post #42

jonah wrote: post #24

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I'd like to see an Android phone with the materials and build quality of the iPhone 4. They're at a point now where the electronics are powerful enough (for the time being). Additionally with the hiring of the Palm UX team the 2.3+ user experience is sure to receive some much needed polish. Now can someone build a phone with the materials and production refinement shown in the iPhone which is a BMW to the Android's H…

You fell for the marketing. Apple shows all these amazing robots and processes assembling the iPhone. What do you think the competition uses, do they carve their phones out of stones with toothpicks? They have advanced production tools, too. The N1 is a really nice phone - I prefer it to the iPhone 3G. The phone makers will continue to better each other, from keynote to keynote. Now Apple has the lead again (in some…

>> You fell for the marketing.

I'm only going from my own experience.

Before my current MBP I had a T series ThinkPad - arguably one of the best built laptops. Awesome machine, loved it. There is no comparison in materials or build quality though.

Right now I'm using a borrowed iPhone 2G. Before that a high-end Symbian Nokia. The Nokia worked far better as a "phone". The fit-and-finish of the iPhone is far above.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by jonah » Tue, Jun 08, 2010, 10:19 PM UTC

vetinari wrote: post #65

vidarh wrote: post #54

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GP didn't mention production processes anywhere, but materials and build quality. Why are you going on about production processes?

Apple's material and build quality are the same, as any other vendor in the same price category. I have yet to own an Apple product, that does not need to be serviced during warranty.

I'm only talking about the physical exterior.

It's well known that Apple's laptop LCDs are average at best. I can only assume their PCBs are produced on the same equipment their foxconn et all use for their other customers.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by Tichy » Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 6:46 AM UTC

jonah wrote: post #86

vetinari wrote: post #65

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Apple's material and build quality are the same, as any other vendor in the same price category. I have yet to own an Apple product, that does not need to be serviced during warranty.

I'm only talking about the physical exterior. It's well known that Apple's laptop LCDs are average at best. I can only assume their PCBs are produced on the same equipment their foxconn et all use for their other customers.

Still, the aluminium bodies are nice, but maybe other materials would be better (Magnesium)? The MacBooks are quite heavy, for example.

Granted, there is a lot of trash computers out there, atm I don't even know which ones would be nicer than Apple's (since Samsung has screwed up the design lately). But I haven't done the research, either.

Re: iPhone 4 Is Nice, But It's Not Enough to Slow Android

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Post by Tichy » Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 9:19 AM UTC

jonah wrote: post #85

Tichy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You fell for the marketing. Apple shows all these amazing robots and processes assembling the iPhone. What do you think the competition uses, do they carve their phones out of stones with toothpicks? They have advanced production tools, too. The N1 is a really nice phone - I prefer it to the iPhone 3G. The phone makers will continue to better each other, from keynote to keynote. Now Apple has the lead again (in some…

>> You fell for the marketing. I'm only going from my own experience. Before my current MBP I had a T series ThinkPad - arguably one of the best built laptops. Awesome machine, loved it. There is no comparison in materials or build quality though. Right now I'm using a borrowed iPhone 2G. Before that a high-end Symbian Nokia. The Nokia worked far better as a "phone". The fit-and-finish of the iPhone is far above.

Not saying the iPhone is ugly. However, you are comparing old non-Apple hardware to new Apple hardware. Technology progresses fast, so after one year, the next generation of phones tends to be much better than the ones before.

Not sure about notebooks - theoretically there should be nice ones, but a lot of vendors seem to screw it up completely.