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Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

stretchwithme wrote: post #52
rue wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We value honesty and telling the truth because deception and lying are commonly considered to be bad things. When people honestly tell us the truth that they will not entertain applications for employment from those currently unemployed, we express outrage because that is just {dickish,unconscionable,idiotic}. If it makes you feel better, I give them full credit for being honest about their moral bankruptcy.

When someone is offering a service and everybody wants it, its not unreasonable to conclude that it might be worth more to you than a service that has no line of people waiting to pay for it. Frankly, I don't see how that's immoral. Its acting in what one thinks is in one's own best interest. There is nothing wrong with that. The job seekers do it all the time whenever they decide to pursue a job at a more stable com…

How is it immoral? Ok, lets see. Its cruel. Its selfish. Its corrosive to the social contract. Its probably discrimination. And its unnecessary. Honestly, I get chills when I see so many postings that claim to find morality invisible or unknowable.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

plorkyeran wrote: post #46
houseabsolute wrote: post #37

I'm surprised that you can even compel someone to produce this information in an interview setting, considering some other things that are not legal to ask ("how much do you weigh, how tall are you . . .").

You're surprised that you can ask for someone's work history in an interview setting?

They are explicitely denying applicants the chance to present their work history. They only look at a largely irrelevant single bit of information: you don't have a job now.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by georgieporgie »

pwim wrote: post #49

Still waiting for a response to the 300 resumés you sent out last month? Sending out 300 resumés in a month is the wrong strategy, as it shows you don't care about the posting. If you are willing to invest that little effort, you are basically playing a lottery against all the other people doing the same thing. You are far better off being selective and persistant. If instead of sending out 75 resumes a week, you spe…

> Sending out 300 resumés in a month is the wrong strategy, as it shows you don't care about the posting

That's not always true. It depends on what your skills are and what the position requires. More applications means more people looking at your resume. Getting past HR is basically a gamble anyway, and I can't begin to tell you how many times I never heard back on jobs I'm exactly qualified for, while getting excited responses from teams in wholly different areas of software development.

One of my principles used to be to only apply to jobs for which I was very qualified. Now, I could care less. Next time I'm seeking work, I'm going to spam the hell out of every position I'm even remotely qualified for. Why? Because I need a job, and I care less about stressing HR than I do about paying for food.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by bhousel »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #80
brk wrote: post #79

I have created a solution to this problem. For $500/mo. you can "work" for me. The process is similar to basic hosting sites. You can pick from a variety of "companies" and "jobs". They range from BigCo type companies to small startups. Jobs range from developer to management. We provide a phone number to call for reference checks as well. Employment is only a click away!

I'll do it for $5

It only works if the amount you're offering is similar to what a person would make from their unemployment benefits.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by Tamerlin »

raganwald wrote: post #60

I wonder whether the companies that only hire people who are currently employed would also fire any of their existing staff who were looking for a job elsewhere? The whole thing reminds me of an old story. A young man takes up with an an attractive woman who is married to a older, brutish boor. One thing leads to another and the brute catches them making out. Honor must be satisfied, so the two men square off for a d…

"I wish these companies well in retaining their hires."

I suspect that they aren't very good at that, and are counting on the fact that most of the companies that they would like to hire people from aren't very good at it, either.

Even if that's not correct, it's still staggeringly asinine.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by Tamerlin »

jgrahamc wrote: post #25
dasil003 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't filtering resumé buckshot sort of HR's core competency though?

My experience is that HR doesn't have a core competency.

Isn't some form of competence a prerequisite for having a core competency?

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by raganwald »

Tamerlin wrote: post #87
raganwald wrote: post #60

I wonder whether the companies that only hire people who are currently employed would also fire any of their existing staff who were looking for a job elsewhere? The whole thing reminds me of an old story. A young man takes up with an an attractive woman who is married to a older, brutish boor. One thing leads to another and the brute catches them making out. Honor must be satisfied, so the two men square off for a d…

"I wish these companies well in retaining their hires." I suspect that they aren't very good at that, and are counting on the fact that most of the companies that they would like to hire people from aren't very good at it, either. Even if that's not correct, it's still staggeringly asinine.

You're preaching to a choirboy! Some of the unemployed have been laid off because they were the most expensive people on staff when a company needed to cut costs. Sometimes that means that the best people were let go. Other times entire departments get the ax because of a power play, so it's a reflection on the lack of political knife fighting skills of a manager several rungs higher up the ladder.

Re: The unemployed will not be considered

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Post by Tamerlin »

nhebb wrote: post #72
jgrahamc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is that HR doesn't have a core competency.

Even though I upvoted you, one of HR's core competencies should be knowledge of employment laws. Since unemployment rates are much higher for blacks, I think if this hiring practice became widespread it could open up these companies to discrimination lawsuits.

I agree with the "should" part also.

Experience says that "HR" and "competence" go together approximately as well as "military" and "intelligence" however.

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