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Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

#81

Throwaway for maximum honesty: I am pretty sure I spend at least 75% of my time "at work" not working. HN, Reddit, messing around with side projects or learning a new language or framework. This has been the case for my entire working life. I seem to get as much done as other people (sometimes better) so part of me wonders if I'm not as unusual as I feel. Part of me wonders if I should get evaluated for ADHD, since I…

I never thought I'd have to create a throwaway for HN, but here I am

This is me.

On a good day, I might work for 3 hours of my 7 hour day. On a bad day, 1 hour. Somehow, I get the work done, and even get praised for it, though it's not taxing or particularly good code. I think my firm is afraid to lose me, and let me get away with too much, but that could be paranoia / imposter syndrome. That said, my productivity is on a par with others I work with (surpassing some) and I don't consider myself to be a better coder than they are.

I spend the larger part of my day on side projects, learning new languages, trying new apps, painstakingly reorganising my local file system, reducing the size and complexity of my dropbox folders (even though I'm using less than half of my free space), reading HN, tinkering with electronics at my desk, reorganising my workspace, blogging, reading, listening to podcasts or audiobooks (I find I can't do anything that involves typing at the same time, but I can do graphics)

I have curtailed my reddit / browsing a lot, but its still more than I'd like.

Lately, I've decided that my job is not challenging me enough, and I want to leave it. And so I blame that on my lack of focus. But if I'm honest, I've always been like this. In previous jobs, in college, in school, I've always done the minimum required to get by because I have other "more important" things to do.

I'm easily distracted. I don't think I'd go so far as to say I have ADHD, but I do have trouble focussing on tasks when a computer is involved. I have a theory that this is a side-effect of the modern computing experience itself. Switching tabs and multitasking is so easy these days, with the amounnt of RAM / Bandwidth / CPU we have at our disposal, that doing several things at once is very tempting. I barely bother to close apps. I would normally have 4-5 VS windows, Android Studio, Photoshop, Sublime, etc all open at once, and while I'm not switching between them every five minutes, I might alt-tab to one by accident and lose an hour fixing some bug or trying some thing out.

There were some college projects that really captured my interest, but those were an exception.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

#82
Does depend on what you call "working". I deem the time I spent on tech sites like HN as working. So does my boss. He similarly considers the time I spend at the odd tech conference working. There are good reasons for this - I drive change around here, and most of that change originates from exposure to ideas from those sources.

If you could that (and I do), I'd say at least 75% of my time is spent working.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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Definitely depends on the day.. some days I'm working the entire shift, other days I get paid to just sit here and work on my side projects. I work for for a project-based department and with that comes deadlines that could mean I have to be done within 3-6 hours which can be stressful.

While our company goes with the rest of the world, I wish the company would consider 10 hour days 4 days a week, with half the department working in the earlier part of the week, and the other half working the later half of the week instead of all of us working the traditional 8 hour days 5 days a week.

So I make the best of it and enjoy those days where I do mostly nothing the entire time. But I'm never not doing anything.. I build web apps and run a popular website, so I'm always kept busy.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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I consider myself rather productive compared to most devs I've worked with. On a good day, I spend 75% of my day "working". On a normal day, it's closer to 50/50. I'm a tech manager, though, so the "good" days are when I'm really busy all day long, and the "normal" days are when I spend most of my time coding. Like others have said, it's really difficult to do more than 4 hours of solid coding in a day, particularly if you're interrupted frequently like I am.

That said, I don't necessarily care that much about the hours my employees work, so long as they meet the deadlines and are reasonably productive. I have a good idea of how long a task takes, so if they take too much longer than that, we'll have a chat. Otherwise, I just want to make sure they're happy and not burnt out and staying as productive as possible.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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I record my time pretty religiously. 5 hours seems to be a standard "working day" of actually solid in the flow (face buried in a screen) work, assuming I'm sat at a desk for 7/8.

That said, if I'm rolling and happy it can be way more, if I'm tired/struggling to hit the flow/not creative - way less. I can get an awful lot done in a day (or few days) if I push, but doing that long term becomes counter productive.

On a regular day, I'll also get a bunch of smaller 'work' done, but it's mostly the admin-y stuff. Sales, email, help, calls, networking. Sometimes that can be my whole day - I suppose it depends how important those things are at the time (sales!) as to how much they're considered 'work'.

Edit: Just to add, decent headphones are a godsend.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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The best way to describe ADHD is: The TV is always on, but you don't get to choose the channel . Some things are easy to focus on—I can sit down to program for a bit and lose track of time for 5 hours. On the other hand, if something is boring, it's mind-numbingly boring . It was the worst while I was in school, since teachers and professors just thought, "oh, he's unmotivated" when in reality it was more along the l…

I've had similar symptoms to those caused by ADHD for quite some time now, but I'm not sure if visiting a doctor will help me much. The symptoms I've experienced are inattentiveness, boredom, lethargy, and poor time management. My question is: if I do get diagnosed by a professional, what kind of improvement can I expect from ADHD medication?

Medication is likely not the right solution for you, there are several very helpful books about Adult ADHD that you should check out that could change your life: Taking Charge of Adult ADHD, and, Is it You, Me, or Adult ADHD? great books

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best way to describe ADHD is: The TV is always on, but you don't get to choose the channel . Some things are easy to focus on—I can sit down to program for a bit and lose track of time for 5 hours. On the other hand, if something is boring, it's mind-numbingly boring . It was the worst while I was in school, since teachers and professors just thought, "oh, he's unmotivated" when in reality it was more along the l…

> "I'd rather cut my toenails with a rusty butter knife than write the paper." > Okay, perhaps that's a slight exaggeration. I have ADHD, this is not an exaggeration. I actually really like your example. It's literally how it feels like. I remember being in school and doing things like lining up my pencil with the rays of light coming from outside, and then trying to outline the shadow of my pencil with a different p…

it's like a lack of motivation to the point of abhorring any expended effort on a task because it's _THAT_ worthless of a pursuit to you. It's like you endure pain that other people don't experience just to do normal activities if you don't find them fascinating.

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had similar symptoms to those caused by ADHD for quite some time now, but I'm not sure if visiting a doctor will help me much. The symptoms I've experienced are inattentiveness, boredom, lethargy, and poor time management. My question is: if I do get diagnosed by a professional, what kind of improvement can I expect from ADHD medication?

Medication is likely not the right solution for you, there are several very helpful books about Adult ADHD that you should check out that could change your life: Taking Charge of Adult ADHD, and, Is it You, Me, or Adult ADHD? great books

Thanks, I'll check them out!

Re: Ask HN: How much of your time at work do you spend not working?

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had similar symptoms to those caused by ADHD for quite some time now, but I'm not sure if visiting a doctor will help me much. The symptoms I've experienced are inattentiveness, boredom, lethargy, and poor time management. My question is: if I do get diagnosed by a professional, what kind of improvement can I expect from ADHD medication?

Medication is likely not the right solution for you, there are several very helpful books about Adult ADHD that you should check out that could change your life: Taking Charge of Adult ADHD, and, Is it You, Me, or Adult ADHD? great books

I don't mean to be rude, but assuming you're not a doctor (and, even if you are, he's not your patient), I don't think it's good form to give medical advice on the Internet, particularly if it's advice that's dismissive of a mainstream treatment.

My two cents, don't rule anything out. I had a SO with adult ADD and medication made a world of difference. That's just one person, though, and everybody's different. Do talk to a doctor if you feel like you might have adult ADD. It's a very real thing, and there are lots of treatment options, both pharmacologic and not.

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