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The Mac Pro Lives

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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#81
> One of the good things, hopefully, with Apple through the years has been a willingness to say when something isn’t quite what we wanted it do be, didn’t live up to expectations, to not be afraid to admit it and look for the next answer.

Not sure Apple fits the description here.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#82
So Apple is completely rethinking the Mac Pro for a 2018 release 5 years after their last complete rethink of the Mac Pro? Does this mean it'll be another 5 years of no upgrades while they completely rethink it once more?

This is the problem: Apple has just lost user trust with this one.

All they ever needed to do was have something like the pre-cylinder Mac Pro: something PC-like. A case with replaceabl parts and lots of expansion slots. That's it.

Have any Mac Pro users long since moved on to Windows (or even Linux) or gone down the hackintosh route? Who is going to trust the Mac Pro at this point?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Gruber addresses this pretty well: they already took the silent approach, but it was becoming unsustainable with their pro market, whose needs were not being met. If they just did a small hardware bump, they'd be projecting that they'd given up on the pro and they'd lose a lot of loyalty and goodwill. People can only wait so long so this info helps to keep them interested and bring the term "Apple" back into…

Missing the point though. It's not just the hardware, it's the trust. A lot of pros will be thinking "So why should I buy New MacPro if they're only going to let the line stagnate again?"

You are not wrong, but the article is clear that they were hamstrung by their silly trashcan design, and they are moving back to something more modular and updateable like the old Mac Pros, which should help avoid stagnation.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#84

This is an incredibly weird thing... Inviting a bunch of bloggers into a room and saying that they're sorry, but they have great stuff down the line? It feels incredibly un-Apple.

Very. I think it speaks to the fear they have over losing this market and the incredibly bad reaction they'd have if they'd simply released the weakly updated Pro without further explanation.

Good thing they're opening a dialogue, though.

For Apple, that normally is "you're holding the phone wrong."

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#85
post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

I still remember the flame wars of desktop vs towers. :)

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#87
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_effect

  The Osborne effect is a term referring to the unintended
  consequences of a company announcing a future product,
  unaware of the risks involved or when the timing is
  misjudged, which ends up having a negative impact on the
  sales of the current product. This is often the case when a
  product is announced too long before its actual
  availability. This has the immediate effect of customers
  canceling or deferring orders for the current product,
  knowing that it will soon be obsolete, and any unexpected
  delays often means the new product comes to be perceived as
  vaporware, damaging the company's credibility and
  profitability.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#88
> For examples of the type of software that the current Mac Pro isn’t well-suited for, Federighi mentioned VR: “Those can be in VR, those can be in certain kinds of high end cinema production tasks where most of the software out there that’s been written to target those doesn’t know how to balance itself well across multiple GPUs, but can scale across a single large GPU.”

Interesting that VR get's a mention there. Federighi chooses his words carefully, and they're aware of the rumours surrounding Apple and VR.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#89
post #85
post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

I still remember the flame wars of desktop vs towers. :)

How could those be flame wars? The former group was just wrong.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

#90
post #85
post #65

a pro machine that demanded placement on your desk, not under your desk ... and that's how Apple lost the professionals. The desk is a clean space for a huge monitor / keyboard / mouse, and MY work. It's good to make a workstation that looks nice, but it's ten times as good to make one that's flexible and powerful. The only people who want that workstation on the desktop are the designers at Apple, and stroking your…

I still remember the flame wars of desktop vs towers. :)

I bought an HTPC case a while back that looks like a stereo receiver so I could have a desktop back. I like having my monitor sit on top of it.
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