Did they support running Windows 7 on these machines before? If so, denying people the support they paid for is a class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
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Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#82The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…
It's not just Microsoft making a mess out of Windows. Third-party vendors are conspiring to ruin the PC platform. As often comes up in these discussions, I only use my PC for gaming. I've upgraded to 10, and downgraded back to 7 again, twice, just to make sure it really was that bad. (I downgraded both of my boys' PC's as well, just recently, because of strange problems they were always having.) Last time I updated m…
> Last time I updated my nVidia video drivers, I found I had to create an account with nVidia to get into the configuration options of the driver on my machine.
I see a lot of people with this confusion between the NVIDIA Control Panel and GeForce Experience.
You do not need to create an account of any kind to use the NVIDIA Driver Control Panel. You never did and hopefully you never will.
GeForce Experience on the other hand you do need an account now, but it's also completely unnecessary (and buggy) software. You don't need it at all unless for some reason you want Shadowplay (recording) or can't be bothered to set game graphics settings yourself and want GFE to 'optimise' the experience for you.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pretty much just people using the term "brick" to mean anything from a crashing process, to something fixed by a re-install. Example: "I just loaded a buggy web-page and bricked my Chrome. LOL!" You know. How the term "hacking" has come to mean just about anything these days. There are no PC-bricks, despite people trying to claim the contrary.
Well there are PC bricks, just not software bricks. I'd argue pouring coffee on your motherboard can brick it pretty easily. I think once the term became more widespread on mobile people used it for everything.
There was also that arch Linux debacle, where users with a certain motherboard mounted the uefi partition with write permission. Some motherboards were bricked that way.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#84The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…
bricking devices by Microsoft's friends Eh? What did I miss??
Not exactly bricking, but a habit that Windows 10 developed is to force install drivers, even if they don't work.
I.e. it will install something, it won't work, do a rollback. Then, a day or two later, it will do it again, with the same package that didn't work last time. And again. And again.
Of course, meanwhile, your computer is unusable while it does the install/rollback dance and as a bonus, it does unnecessary wear and tear to your SSD.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well there are PC bricks, just not software bricks. I'd argue pouring coffee on your motherboard can brick it pretty easily. I think once the term became more widespread on mobile people used it for everything.
There was also that arch Linux debacle, where users with a certain motherboard mounted the uefi partition with write permission. Some motherboards were bricked that way.
The problem was deletion of UEFI variables, a bug in Samsung UEFI implementation that should not allow that.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#86Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…
I'm sure you've already seen it, but using https://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/ helps alleviate some of these issues. I completely agree with you though, the whole thing feels dirty.
Thank you will look at that.
Just finished installing this OS. I generally enjoy MS products but this has changed my opinion. The OS isn't really any faster than 7 and the amount of road blocks I have encountered to change things to how I want them is remarkable.
I have found two great resources if anyone is in the same position as me. For Uninstalling the store bloat and disabling geo-location services and other anti-privacy I used:
1) https://github.com/W4RH4WK/Debloat-Windows-10
disable-services.ps1 and disable-windows-defender.ps1
2) https://github.com/Disassembler0/Win10-Initial-Setup-Script/...
Disabled too many things to list and I'll set this up to run on restart and restrict the file write perms for security. I've used pretty much the defaults but most importantly
"DisableTelemetry", "DisableWiFiSense", "DisableSmartScreen", "DisableWebSearch", "DisableStartSuggestions", "DisableLocationTracking", "DisableFeedback", "DisableAdvertisingID", "DisableCortana", "DisableErrorReporting", "RestrictUpdateP2P", "DisableAutoLogger", "DisableDiagTrack",
3) Glasswire firewall or of your choice to monitor network connections.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only because Microsoft wrote a line of code that says if CPU is this model than do not run. There is a big irony in Microsoft writing that sort of code given the efforts they have to go through to make applications with similar code (if OS version > 7 then do not run) run anyway by lying to the application about the windows version.
No, it's because of missing drivers for the chipset. Try running an old Linux or bsd kernel on these new chips -- it won't work either.
An old Linux or BSD kernel will work just fine on these new chips.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#88The title is incorrect. Bristol Ridge is AMD APU, not Ryzen.
This could do with being higher up the thread. So WILL Win7 work with Ryzen? I ask because I'm typing this on a Win7 machine I just ordered a Ryzen chip for...
Apparently there are drivers for Ryzen: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/am4-chipset-d...
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#89Yesterday I received a Gigabyte Brix i5 and wanted to run Windows 7. The process was painful. The Brix has no USB 2.0 ports and no legacy USB in the bios - So keyboard and mouse were non functional. Presumably the ISO was built pre-USB 3.0 era. So I had to customize a untouched image with USB 3 drivers. Drivers had to be downloaded from Gigabytes website. All to learn that MS update doesn't work with Kaby Lake. Great…
Onedrive can be uninstalled through 'add/remove programs', similar to third-party apps.
While there ,be sure to remove the automatically-downloaded games you didn't want nor ask for.
Re: Microsoft Blocks Windows 7/8 Updates on AMD Ryzen and Intel Kaby Lake Systems
#90The recent pop-up ads, automatically downloading of Windows 10 by Microsoft and bricking devices by Microsoft's friends seems like a good indication of the tipping point for many people. Stallman was right, then? About 10 years ago I made the jump from Windows to GNU+Linux. It was quite annoying because at the time I was still heavily invested in web design and such, so not having photoshop was quite a loss. Nowadays…
Microsoft's willingness to actively disrupt its users (whether it's through forced updates or artifical limitations) is indeed a tipping point for me. I always chose Windows for its convenience, and the fact that I could use it on my own terms. Clearly, this is no longer the case. As for Stallman, there's a fine line between a madman and a genius. Reality has shown us that he definitely is not a madman.
Ah, yes, how absolutely shocking that Microsoft should choose not to support a processor that didn't even exist at the time that version of Windows was released. Why, everyone knows, especially on HN, that updating and retesting software costs nothing at all and so that's why we all eagerly go back and retrofit all versions of software we've ever released, no matter how old, to support the latest hardware just as soon as it's released. This outrageous behavior is right up there with Ford not retrofitting anti-lock brakes on the Model T and VHS VCRs not providing a HDMI output. /s
(I'm sorry for the early morning jocularity but I just can't take this topic seriously.)