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Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by oxide » Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 9:22 PM UTC

smhost wrote: post #65

kristopolous wrote: post #30

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I'm gambling on "The Oil Age". Political strife will be placed in the context of petroleum geopolitics, energy sectors, climate change, and what will be dubbed "The first migration" (if ocean levels rise as some predict, there will be a second migration for 10% of global population [1]) You can wrap, among other things, the 70's OPEC wars, 79 Iranian revolution, 9/11 and the rise of Trump in a nice tiny bow and creat…

When I was in combat training (U.S., mid 2000s), a corporal who was teaching a munitions class one day started pointing to things and listing off random objects. Clothes, chairs, computer, projector, weapon lubricant, etc. He asked what all of these had in common. The answer was that they all contain petroleum derivatives. And that's why we go, he said. The 18-year-old idiot me didn't understand, so that night I went…

>Maybe just to say that I'm sorry for my part in all of this bullshit.

I don't blame you. You were doing the job you swore you'd do, were paid to do, and likely ordered to do.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by M_Grey » Wed, Mar 15, 2017, 9:37 PM UTC

dpc59 wrote: post #79

M_Grey wrote: post #75

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I think in a 100 years there won't be many history books being written. Think of what climate change is gong to do in just the next 30 years, and then be honest with yourself about the next 100. Look at what a small amount of migration has done to global politics, and imagine a couple of billion on the move. Look at nationalism and populism on the rise. We've passed the point of no-return I think... that will be the…

I think you underestimate the adaptative capacities of human society. If global warming doesn't exterminate all human life it'll take about one generation for people to get used to it. On the scale of human history a single generation really isn't much.

"Getting used to it" is... maybe not a doable thing. If you think it is though, I'd be interested in how you see that rapid adaptation playing out.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by eternalban » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

Veen wrote: post #63

eternalban wrote: post #52

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Anti-Globalist =/= "pro-kremlin" [sic].

It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. It's not as if there's any inconsistency in denouncing Trump, Putin, and Erdogan in one breath. Reminds me of European Communists like Sartre that campaigned for equality in the west while refusing to acknowledge the horrors of Stalin's rule.

> It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere.

Globalism is orthogonal to the nature of the global regime. Let us not forget that Communist International was also a globalist movement.

I personally don't know about the "so often" bit, but certainly that is the meme that is pushed by (globalist owned) Media. But should we accept that as a fact, then considering the fact that multiple powers would exist would provide at least the hope of future remedy to citizens of unsavory regimes.

The /only/ hope for remedy for citizens of a (authoritarian) One World Government is catastrophic system failure. That is it.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by Veen » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 6:04 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #83

Veen wrote: post #63

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It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. It's not as if there's any inconsistency in denouncing Trump, Putin, and Erdogan in one breath. Reminds me of European Communists like Sartre that campaigned for equality in the west while refusing to acknowledge the horrors of Stalin's rule.

> It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. Globalism is orthogonal to the nature of the global regime. Let us not forget that Communist International was also a globalist movement. I personally don't know about the "so often" bit, but certainly that is the meme that is pushed by (globalist owned) Media. But should we accept…

> catastrophic system failure

Those three words encompasses an awful lot of death and poverty.

Re: Hacked Twitter Accounts Post Swastikas, Pro-Erdogan Content

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Post by eternalban » Thu, Mar 16, 2017, 8:36 PM UTC

Veen wrote: post #84

eternalban wrote: post #83

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> It's curious to me that anti-globalism in the west is so often supportive of authoriatirian rulers and religious extremists elsewhere. Globalism is orthogonal to the nature of the global regime. Let us not forget that Communist International was also a globalist movement. I personally don't know about the "so often" bit, but certainly that is the meme that is pushed by (globalist owned) Media. But should we accept…

> catastrophic system failure Those three words encompasses an awful lot of death and poverty.

Exactly. To be clear, there is no doubt in my mind that the future of Humanity has to be unified, but I don't believe we're there yet whether we consider the governed or the self-appointed lords, and yet another atempt to create "the new man" to fit in the ideological template imho will entail an awful lot of awfulness.