Google still didn't fix the damage they did by abandoning XMPP, and not supporting server to server encryption in Google Talk.
SNAP has a market cap of 29 billion USD, and does not support XMPP.
I'm not using Snap either.
Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
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#82Oh for fuck's sake. Which is basically what I end up thinking after virtually every Google announcement regarding chat.
We can profitably do without more drive-by snark (which we've asked you repeatedly not to post) on Hacker News.
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#83Poe's Law as applied to enterprise messaging platforms. Dear Google, Please make one amazing chat app. Just one. Merge Allo, Duo, Chat, Hangouts, Meet, Messenger, Voice, and your RCS platform into one extensible platform with third party integrations. The comments in this thread? They are not flattering. It is not a sign of joy that people comment on Google releasing a new chat app, or confusing your branding even fu…
It seems to me like they are aiming to make one amazing chat app. It's called GSuite.
For example, it'd be very useful if you could collaboratively edit a document in a chat app. So should your uber chat app swallow Google Docs too? That would be a beast, and the HN would scream.
No, you make a bunch of smaller apps that embed, interoperate and integrate.
And once you've built a bunch of integration points for your own apps, then you document them and make them available to third parties. Voila first-class fully dog-fooded integration points rather than third party integrations being distinctly second class citizens.
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#84So now they have: * Gmail * Google Talk * Google Voice * Allo * Duo * Hangouts Chat * Hangouts Meet Am I missing any products that compete with their own other products?
Their newer approach of different products targeted at consumer vs. business use cases has some merrit. All/Duo for consumer, Hangouts Chat/Meet for business. The needs are different and one size fits all often means one size ideal for nobody.
Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
#85Good grief Google, make up your mind. It's like some sad corporate race condition. Google keeps optimizing things but has no guiding vision. I might as well be watching cats in a diamond mine.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Monolithic apps suffer from design for the least common denominator. Business team chat and calling/texting your friend are entirely different problems and deserve different solutions.
I would suggest you check out Discord, which works well for both the team and individual use cases in one user interface. The way they accomplish this is by having "Friends" (a familiar analogy for anyone who has used chat applications from the 2000s and current social media) as well as "Servers", which are akin to teams. Joining servers is very easy, creating servers - they are perhaps inaccurately named - is instan…
Why would an Allo/Duo user ever want to join a server, or something analogous? They just want to call or message their friend. I think it's obvious to merge some of their consumer point to point apps, but criticizing their group chat solution because they have consumer point-to-point apps is wrong.
Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
#87Poe's Law as applied to enterprise messaging platforms. Dear Google, Please make one amazing chat app. Just one. Merge Allo, Duo, Chat, Hangouts, Meet, Messenger, Voice, and your RCS platform into one extensible platform with third party integrations. The comments in this thread? They are not flattering. It is not a sign of joy that people comment on Google releasing a new chat app, or confusing your branding even fu…
This. A thousand times this. First I stopped using Google+ (I mean: it isn't any good). Then over time I stopped logging Adium into Google Talk, because fewer and fewer people I know use it. I never started using Allo or Duo.
I have a friend who's still using Google Talk via her corporate IT solution, whose name I forget; she and my wife are the only two I know of still using it. I could probably convince my wife to switch to Allo, but my friend can't integrate it with her corporate solution, so switching basically means I can't chat with her anymore.
Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
#88The problem with google chat services is... will they last more than 6 months? Considering how many changes Hangouts went through, do I even want to waste time on evaluate its current incarnation?
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#89Google Cloud Next '17... introducing products that will go live in '18 and be shuttered in '20. Our company is evaluating team collaboration products right now. I told them not to even look at hangouts because you couldn't trust Google to keep a product alive. This was two days ago...
But remember that most of the better team collaboration tools are paid and Hangouts is free and works good.
Is disrupting a large team when google inevitably change their minds worth "free" ?
Re: Google Splits Hangouts into Chat and Meet
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
Monolithic apps suffer from design for the least common denominator. Business team chat and calling/texting your friend are entirely different problems and deserve different solutions.
I would suggest you check out Discord, which works well for both the team and individual use cases in one user interface. The way they accomplish this is by having "Friends" (a familiar analogy for anyone who has used chat applications from the 2000s and current social media) as well as "Servers", which are akin to teams. Joining servers is very easy, creating servers - they are perhaps inaccurately named - is instan…
I've used discord. My family is never going to use discord or a discord-like app. For that, we need sms or MMS.
One of the problems with discord is that it becomes very bloated to use (fromm mobile). It takes 3-4 interactions to get to the friends list so I can message someone. With sms/mms/allo/fb messenger, I open the app and my friends list is just right there, staring me in the face.
Optimized for different usecases comes to mind.