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Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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I'm always surprised when developers don't talk about the F keys in their reviews of the new MBP. I mostly agree with the author regarding the escape key, the touch bar isn't really a problem in that regard, it still works and I got used to "pressing" it on the touchbar really quickly. I really really miss physical F keys though. I spend a lot of time debugging (either in the Chrome debugger or in IDEs) where pressin…

I have made my living for the past 8 years as a macOS software developer. I never use the F keys.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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I saw the new MacBooks in person 2 days ago and kept asking, "why would I buy one of these?" Cheap feeling keyboard, useless difference in thickness, and only 16gb. Not going back under 32 with Photoshop ever. I'll stick with my 2013 and look at a Lenovo 2-1 next. Pretty tired of OS X too.

Your 2013 came with 32GB RAM?

They are upgradable.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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I don't know why I keep reading these reviews, but I do. This one seems decent, he covers everything from his real world experiences. I was kind of not surprised at his conclusion... As it is, it feels like a little “fuck you, suckers” from Apple and I can’t help but feel a little disappointed. That is due mostly to the price.

Also I assume the decisions that don't benefit the end-user (touchbar, keyboard, thinness, etc.)

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Battery life seems not like a surprise. Isn't Apple only selling 2015 MacBooks without a discrete GPU? So you basically only have Intel Graphics in there which would mean a charge lasts much longer if it doesn't need to drive an NVidia or AMD card as well.

I'm inclined not to believe the 15 hour claim. I've had the 2015 MBP since it came out and get maybe 4-5 hours of battery life doing non-heavy web development nowadays. After I newly bought it I got maybe around 7 hours at most. With integrated graphics only of course - with the dedicated GPU active I get around 3 hours or so only.

Are you using Chrome or Electron apps? Chrome rinses mine in about 3-4 hours, whereas Safari lasts all day.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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I've got the 13" maxed out Late 2016. I've owned every form factor of the MacBook Pro and this is my least favorite. I like the USB-C and have bought into the tradeoff of having no Magsafe. It's also a minor plus to be able to plug in either side of the machine. The TouchID is good too. However, I've found the TouchID extremely laggy for some reason (esp. on unlock) which really reduced the benefit. The keyboard is _…

I even had the Touchbar die on me when waking the laptop from a previously drained battery. The whole Touchbar was just black, requiring a full reboot. This only happened 2-3 times in about 6 weeks, but still. I also have occasional problems with externals Monitors (i use two, one through DVI) staying black and requiring plugging out/in to fix. These small annoyances are just unnecessary as it worked perfectly before. I don't really see a benefit in the Touchbar anyway. When I alt-tab out of spotify it will show the spotify icon to control it but as soon as i got to another app it will steal the focus and i have to go back to Spotify manually. UX nightmare.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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It's a real detriment to UI, it costs you battery life, it's a distracting gimmick, and it adds $200 to the cost of your machine. And Apple will never give up on it. Every Mac is going to be worse for years and years because of it. Enjoy.

The good thing that can come of this would be the resurgence of the Linux desktop. Apple just crossed the line for me (<32GB, no SSD upgrade, messing with the keyboard). I'll miss the almost perfect trackpad, but there's no way I'll support these choices.

Resurgence? When was it ever popular? Iirc, market share right now is under 5%.

I say this as pretty much a lifelong Linux desktop user. I've been waiting and hoping for it to take off, but.....

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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Holy shit. Why?? Is it around the same cost in Euros? I don't understand this. I literally paid half of that for mine.

The version that is referred to has to be the 15" with extra SSD and more expensive CPU. Before taxes Apple's prices varies around 10% with Japan and USA consistently being the cheapest. (Excluding "special" cases like Venezuela or mainland China with has either special import taxes or a failing currency.) VAT (sales tax) in Europe is in general around 20%; for a company this tax is fully deductible.

As noted elsewhere in this thread. UK consumer law also forces bundled 6-year warranties on electronics which adds substantially to the costs.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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I really want to get one of these, but I can't get myself to. I have a 2015 Macbook and I hate the keyboard. I thought I'd get used to it but never did, the one in an older Air is so much more comfortable to me. I went to the Apple Store twice to try out the new keyboard and, while it's better, I can't imagine being happy with it. Does anyone else feel the same way or is it just me?

I've had my 2016 MBP for about ten days. Just used my air for the first time since then and couldn't believe how spongey and rattley the old keyboard felt. I know a few other people who feel the same way. Personal preference and finger habits are a big factors with these keyboards, and seem to be something people adapt to at different rates, or not at all.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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post #41

I really want to get one of these, but I can't get myself to. I have a 2015 Macbook and I hate the keyboard. I thought I'd get used to it but never did, the one in an older Air is so much more comfortable to me. I went to the Apple Store twice to try out the new keyboard and, while it's better, I can't imagine being happy with it. Does anyone else feel the same way or is it just me?

I've had my 2016 MBP for about ten days. Just used my air for the first time since then and couldn't believe how spongey and rattley the old keyboard felt. I know a few other people who feel the same way. Personal preference and finger habits are a big factors with these keyboards, and seem to be something people adapt to at different rates, or not at all.

Re: Thoughts on the Late 2016 MacBook Pro

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So it's a bit more nuanced than that. You can get an I-changed-my-mind full refund in the first 14 days but only if you bought the item online. You can also get a full refund in the first 30 days if the item is defective whether you bought it online or in a brick and mortar store. You can also get a full refund in the first 6 months if it is defective and cannot be repaired or replaced. After six months, you can only…

It isn't really, because I wasn't just talking about return rights or periods, I was talking about rights when the device fails in whatever way within 6 years. http://www.apple.com/uk/legal/statutory-warranty/

> when the device fails in whatever way

It's still not that simple.

It's not like you get six years of unlimited state-mandated insurance. The 'six years' is just from the statute of limitations -- it's just the limit after which you can no longer do anything about a violation of a contract of sale. [0]

But there still has to be violation of the contract of sale. Which means it only applies to defective products. (Or ones not as described, not fit for their purpose, etc.)

So eg it doesn't apply to accidental damage. If you spill coffee on your shiny laptop, consumer law won't help you, even if you only bought it ten minutes ago (unless the product was sold as waterproof, ofc). It also doesn't apply to normal wear and tear, unless you can argue that the degree to which it's deteriorated is enough to imply that the goods weren't of satisfactory quality at the time they were sold, taking into account the context of the kind of good, how it was described, the price, etc.[1]. And so on.

Until six months, the burden of proof is on the retailer to show that anything that goes wrong with the product was not due to the product being defective. (I.e. if there's a problem, and there's no obvious cause, there's an assumption that the goods are faulty). After six months, that assumption is reversed, and the burden is on you to show that the product was defective.[2]

We have pretty good consumer protection in the UK, but it's not a replacement for insurance (e.g. applecare etc). (Whether you actually need insurance for a laptop purchase is another question. Generally if you could replace a thing without too much hardship, insurance is pointless -- the expected value is negative (ie Apple makes a profit on Applecare); you're purchasing a reduction in variance).

(IANAL, just interested in consumer law)

[0] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1980/58/section/5 [1] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/section/9 [2] http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/15/section/19

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