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DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by grzm »

frisco wrote: post #70
myrandomcomment wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

The parent is not saying Trump is not the legitimate president. He's saying that the US government has three branches (congress, executive, judiciary) which provide checks and balances and Trump is ordering an executive agency to ignore that, and the agency is following this order. Characterizing this as a coup is not totally inaccurate.

The parent is not saying Trump is not the legitimate president

Actually, the parent does explicitly say this:

our illegitimate "President"

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by solipsism »

aerovistae wrote: post #38
nullc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.

Can you point me to the sentence that says they're ignoring the court order? I think the intended interpretation of this seems pretty clear, maybe it's just me, but they seem to be saying "We will continue to enforce executive order minus any vetoes or alterations issued by courts." As you would expect them to.

Can you point me to the sentence that says they're ignoring the court order?

Yes, the first one.

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders...

The whole thing is self-contradictory. They cannot enforce all the executive orders while complying with all judicial orders. Your reading of it is one reading, don't pretend like it's the only reasonable reading. In fact, it's notable that the sentence you're picking out,"

The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders

does not say they will comply with all judicial orders. So, you want to revise how "pretty clear" it seems to you?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by frisco »

sdenton4 wrote: post #68
gotchange wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ball now is in the Judiciary's court. If this dept goes rogue, they should intervene and make some arrests for people violating the court orders and laws. This looks day after day like a classical far-right takeover of the govt and people in the US should be really alarmed by these developments.

Executive branch is the arm that makes arrests, though. If the executive decides to ignore the courts, we done here, no more Constitution.

If the executive decides to ignore the courts, the ball passes to the Senate. If the Senate chooses to ignore the situation, then yes, we're pretty much screwed.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by [deleted] »

aerovistae wrote: post #38
nullc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.

Can you point me to the sentence that says they're ignoring the court order? I think the intended interpretation of this seems pretty clear, maybe it's just me, but they seem to be saying "We will continue to enforce executive order minus any vetoes or alterations issued by courts." As you would expect them to.

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Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by smsm42 »

skuhn wrote: post #53
smsm42 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"less than" doesn't mean "approximately that number".

The language is obviously chosen to minimize (and trivialize) the number of people. If it were 1600 people, don't you think they would say less than 0.5%? If it were 3 people, don't you think they would say that? Anyway, read it however you like. I choose to read it as the maximum number of people that could fit within their language, because I think it was written to be purposefully ambiguous.

> If it were 3 people, don't you think they would say that?

If it were 3 people, they probably would, but it's not 3 people. But it's not likely they even know how many people are affected right now, given the situation changes all the time, so they used very vague description. It is not a description one can derive any specific number from, only upper bound.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by cmurf »

gotchange wrote: post #40
Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

The ball now is in the Judiciary's court. If this dept goes rogue, they should intervene and make some arrests for people violating the court orders and laws. This looks day after day like a classical far-right takeover of the govt and people in the US should be really alarmed by these developments.

Alarmed also at their own naivety: Central Park Five, Birtherism, Steve Bannon the president's chief strategist and senior counsel and white nationalist former operator of Breitbart.com. The writing has been on the wall the whole time. Checkout the other executive order, the shakeup of the national security council which now has two conspiracy theorists on it (three if the president is included).

Don't count on Congressional Republicans to fix this. They've used coded bigotry since 1968. And now it's become uncoded. But either way always consistently there is the bigotry.

Now maybe some Republicans finally have an OMFG moment and can now actually hear the dirty dog whistle, and will revaluate. But for Pence, Ryan, McConnell, it's too late.

We keep failing each test. We couldn't flick them off at the primary. And then not at the general. At each step it gets harder and harder to fix, by design.

The policy is sadistic. They are attacking the weakest among us. It's easy for them to do it, and amounts to a test, how much they can get away with.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by gotchange »

sdenton4 wrote: post #68
gotchange wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The ball now is in the Judiciary's court. If this dept goes rogue, they should intervene and make some arrests for people violating the court orders and laws. This looks day after day like a classical far-right takeover of the govt and people in the US should be really alarmed by these developments.

Executive branch is the arm that makes arrests, though. If the executive decides to ignore the courts, we done here, no more Constitution.

There's no Judiciary Police in the US?

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by nl »

aerovistae wrote: post #38
nullc wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be meaningless since it is stated in a message which is _specifically_ announcing that the DHS is ignoring a court order.

Can you point me to the sentence that says they're ignoring the court order? I think the intended interpretation of this seems pretty clear, maybe it's just me, but they seem to be saying "We will continue to enforce executive order minus any vetoes or alterations issued by courts." As you would expect them to.

I think it's possible the URL for this story has been edited( @dang ?)

There are a few comments on this story which seem to reference things which aren't in the actual release.

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by corndoge »

frisco wrote: post #70
myrandomcomment wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump is an asshole however he is our legitimate president no mater how much some of us do not like it. He won the election as the rules require. Period. Let's not forget that. The office should be respected no matter what asswipe he is in it. If you disagree with his policies then call your congressman, et. al. Protest by all means. That is your right as an American. He was elected because a large majority of people…

The parent is not saying Trump is not the legitimate president. He's saying that the US government has three branches (congress, executive, judiciary) which provide checks and balances and Trump is ordering an executive agency to ignore that, and the agency is following this order. Characterizing this as a coup is not totally inaccurate.

"...in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch..."

The subject is 'President' and the adjective is 'illegitimate'. If the parent meant that Trump's actions are not legally sound, then they would have written:

"...in which our "President" is illegitimately overriding the authority of the judicial branch..."

Re: DHS will continue to enforce all of President Trump’s Executive Orders

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Post by icelancer »

Tulip68 wrote: post #22

This is not hyperbole: if this statement is accurate, a coup d'etat is in progress in which our illegitimate "President" is overriding the authority of the judicial branch and it is time for every American who still believes in our constitution and our fundamental values of equality, diversity and multiculturalism take a stand and along with every congressman, every law enforcement officer, reporter, corporation, etc…

>The Department of Homeland Security will comply with judicial orders

The President is not issuing a coup. It says directly in the statement they will comply with the judicial orders.

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