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TPP included some things that were just flat out bad, like the "Investor State Dispute System" (a.k.a. Corporate Sovereignty) and exporting the USA's draconian "Intellectual Property" regime as one of those corporate norms. Both of those things make ordinary citizen's lives worse, at least in the very short term, and almost certainly in the longer term. The TPP seemed to be more about free flow of capital, rather tha…
Yes, but the funny end result of this is that bilateral trade deals will likely include similar or even more draconian restrictions w/r/t corporate sovereignty and IP laws as the policies being put forth are US-standard.
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Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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> As I understand it (I'm no expert in the field), U.S. policy in regard to China is that its rise to superpower status is inevitable Interesting. My understanding is quite the opposite: that the U.S. policy in regard to China is that its rise to superpower status is in question. China is 25 years or more from being on par with the United States in terms of military projection in its own region (much less power proje…
Great talking with you, by the way. Our understandings are different, of course, and it's great to learn another perspective. I agree with much of what you say, I just think it weighs less heavily. But a few concrete points: 1) A minor point: China's massive and questionable investments in poor countries are not grants, but loans (at least, based on what I've read). They may be creating leverage over those countries…
1) Yes agreed here. The investments/loans aren't gifts. They are expected back - with interest - and there is real risk that insolvency and default will stall the investments. This gives China leverage, it develops regions that create the possibility of alternative trade routes and supply chains from the US system, and ultimately China expects their investments not only to produce growth but also pay back into the Bank of China.
2) The 25 year forecast is for regional military parity. Economic parity is on a similar timeline, but I don't know offhand what the most recent projections are. If you look at the strategic literature, many analysts (even journalists) focus on China's ascention in 2040-2050: 25-35 years. (25 years is the smaller number of the projections.) You will have difficulty finding analysts discussing Chinese ascension in 2030 or 2020. I would be interested, of course, in any such literature.
3) "their Communist economic system was fatally flawed, would inevitably collapse, and all the West had to do was wait" - this was Cold War propaganda, which reinforced the message that "The USSR is the wrong trade network to be in" ("Our trade network is the one to be in ;)"). The strategic thinkings from the National Security core of the United States was focused on economic warfare of all kinds that would put pressure on the USSR to collapse. The USSR had attempted to organize strategic resources across nations. When these states were flipped, either by "accidents to their leadership", economic pressure from the US trade network, diplomatic pressure, or internal instability, the USSR needed to reallocate and adjust its system. Twenty five years of unconventional warfare intended to cut the Soviet Union from strategic resources in key areas (Middle East and Central Asia), raise its costs with proxy wars and arms races, containment strategies that limited its options for economic flexibility, and pressure on China to pry the Soviet Union apart from the inside ultimately thwarted the attempt to foment the Eurasian free trade network. The Security State in America was _not_ resting on their laurels, waiting for the USSR to "just collapse". The actions of the United States were meant to put as much pressure toward insolvency and inflexibility in the Union as possible.
> From what I've read many times from foreign policy insiders, such a thing doesn't exist. The foreign policy institutions are so massive and complex, from Dept of State to Dept of Defense to the National Security Advisor and staff, to all the large subcomponents of each, to Congress, to all the career bureaucrats that outlast any President, that getting them all moving in the same direction is impossible.
No, the US has Grand Stategies. You can download, for example, the once-leaked copy of the Bush Administration era "Wolfowitz Doctrine".
Now the interagency process of getting a giant organization like the United States government and private sector to act together in coordinated concert? That's another problem entirely, and something that -rightfully- foreign (and domestic) policy insiders complain about. The difficulty of administering a giant bureaucracy is not the same as there being no Grand Strategy: indeed you can find declassified documents, leaked copies (as mentioned), strategic advice for modernization of Grand Strategy and the like.
Thanks, I'll read this later! FP is... okay. It's just so full of childish references ("pee"-otus), quips and nationalist gilding it's hard to read some times. Though some of their authors are very nice when the editing isn't heavy handed and there's not much competition on the subject (incredibly).
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Well, rust-belt protectionism played a key part (NAFTA, TPP). I was a Bernie supporter and was really disappointed when Hillary didn't co-op Trump's working-class rhetoric or get energized to at least compete in that battlefield. This is what Bill excels at. Obviously she shut him out of the core team. Also, she was not that compelling as a candidate. And had all those negatives that I won't go into. Most of them fal…
Because everyone in the party agreed it was her turn.
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Because everyone in the party agreed it was her turn.
This has been proven true more than once. Whenever "their turn" candidates run, they loose. See Kerry, McCain, Romney. Socioeconomics aside, Americans love novelty. With Trump in power, the game has been elevated to a different level and I think none of leading Dem politicians can unseat him in 2020. After a sufficient time has passed, when his novelty has worn off, some red blooded alpha-male type has to burst into…
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Because everyone in the party agreed it was her turn.
This has been proven true more than once. Whenever "their turn" candidates run, they loose. See Kerry, McCain, Romney. Socioeconomics aside, Americans love novelty. With Trump in power, the game has been elevated to a different level and I think none of leading Dem politicians can unseat him in 2020. After a sufficient time has passed, when his novelty has worn off, some red blooded alpha-male type has to burst into…
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
Great talking with you, by the way. Our understandings are different, of course, and it's great to learn another perspective. I agree with much of what you say, I just think it weighs less heavily. But a few concrete points: 1) A minor point: China's massive and questionable investments in poor countries are not grants, but loans (at least, based on what I've read). They may be creating leverage over those countries…
Absolutely. Shared respect. 1) Yes agreed here. The investments/loans aren't gifts. They are expected back - with interest - and there is real risk that insolvency and default will stall the investments. This gives China leverage, it develops regions that create the possibility of alternative trade routes and supply chains from the US system, and ultimately China expects their investments not only to produce growth b…
I agree about FP; I don't read it regularly but I'll follow a link there. I'd love to know what you do read. I've actually found a lot of quality sources over the years (depending on how you define it); I can send you a spreadsheet listing most of them if it interests you. I'm always interested in finding more and better sources.
Here's one of my favorite hidden gems:
* The Lowy Interpreter
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter
The Lowy Institute is Australia's leading foreign policy think tank, as far as I can tell. They provide expert insight and often a much different perspective than U.S. and European peers, both about the issues we know and also about which issues are important. And it's relatively well written.
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Well, rust-belt protectionism played a key part (NAFTA, TPP). I was a Bernie supporter and was really disappointed when Hillary didn't co-op Trump's working-class rhetoric or get energized to at least compete in that battlefield. This is what Bill excels at. Obviously she shut him out of the core team. Also, she was not that compelling as a candidate. And had all those negatives that I won't go into. Most of them fal…
> This is what Bill excels at. Bill signed NAFTA, not to mention moved the Democratic Party to the right on many economic issues. He just looked cool doing it.
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Absolutely. Shared respect. 1) Yes agreed here. The investments/loans aren't gifts. They are expected back - with interest - and there is real risk that insolvency and default will stall the investments. This gives China leverage, it develops regions that create the possibility of alternative trade routes and supply chains from the US system, and ultimately China expects their investments not only to produce growth b…
Are you professionally connected to this field? I'm just someone who reads as much of the best sources I can (about international relations, not just China). I agree about FP; I don't read it regularly but I'll follow a link there. I'd love to know what you do read. I've actually found a lot of quality sources over the years (depending on how you define it); I can send you a spreadsheet listing most of them if it int…
Some sources that may interest you: The Federation of American Scientists (fas.org), the Strategic Studies Institute (strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil), OpenCourseWare (ocw.mit.edu/courses/political-science/), the Center for Strategic and International Studies (csis.org).
Reddit /r/geopolitics maintains a wiki with a list of open source references that you may find interesting: https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/wiki/index
There's too many things to recommend: foreign news outlets, official press briefings, leaked documents, academic and military history, think tanks and their analysis.
Basic advice: read everything and don't believe any of it.
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Are you professionally connected to this field? I'm just someone who reads as much of the best sources I can (about international relations, not just China). I agree about FP; I don't read it regularly but I'll follow a link there. I'd love to know what you do read. I've actually found a lot of quality sources over the years (depending on how you define it); I can send you a spreadsheet listing most of them if it int…
Yes. I would love to see your spreadsheet. Some sources that may interest you: The Federation of American Scientists (fas.org), the Strategic Studies Institute (strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil), OpenCourseWare (ocw.mit.edu/courses/political-science/), the Center for Strategic and International Studies (csis.org). Reddit /r/geopolitics maintains a wiki with a list of open source references that you may find interes…
Also, if you know a forum with valuable, intelligent, somewhat sophisticated discussion of international relations (i.e., non-partisan, non-ideological, non-Internet-style ranting and hyperbole), I would love to know about it.
> read everything and don't believe any of it.
Unfortunately, I lack the time to read even the good stuff. My RSS feed is up to 500+ items per day and I try to be picky about what is included.
Re: US pulls out of Trans-Pacific Partnership
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Yes. I would love to see your spreadsheet. Some sources that may interest you: The Federation of American Scientists (fas.org), the Strategic Studies Institute (strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil), OpenCourseWare (ocw.mit.edu/courses/political-science/), the Center for Strategic and International Studies (csis.org). Reddit /r/geopolitics maintains a wiki with a list of open source references that you may find interes…
Thanks for the tips. Where do I send the spreadsheet? Also, if you know a forum with valuable, intelligent, somewhat sophisticated discussion of international relations (i.e., non-partisan, non-ideological, non-Internet-style ranting and hyperbole), I would love to know about it. > read everything and don't believe any of it. Unfortunately, I lack the time to read even the good stuff. My RSS feed is up to 500+ items…
If you want to keep the link secret, here's a public key you can encrypt the link to:
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Or, if all of that is too complicated how do you feel about https://filetea.me/?