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Re: Uber Movement

#81

Post by vacri »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #78
wpietri wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a very poor understanding of what civil disobedience is. As MLK wrote, "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the…

On the contrary, Kalanick is directly appealing to the conscience of the community. Whenever regulators attempt to shut him down he appeals directly to the public: "Bill de Blasio/Shiv Sena/Telangana Taxi Association/etc wants to take away your ride!" Many in the civil rights movement also broke laws for their own profit or other benefit; they wanted the right to work any job they were qualified for, live in any neig…

That is a pretty gross rephrasing of wpietri's point.

Re: Uber Movement

#82

Post by yummyfajitas »

vacri wrote: post #81
yummyfajitas wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, Kalanick is directly appealing to the conscience of the community. Whenever regulators attempt to shut him down he appeals directly to the public: "Bill de Blasio/Shiv Sena/Telangana Taxi Association/etc wants to take away your ride!" Many in the civil rights movement also broke laws for their own profit or other benefit; they wanted the right to work any job they were qualified for, live in any neig…

That is a pretty gross rephrasing of wpietri's point.

I understand that my comparison is inspiring negative emotions. But that doesn't make it wrong.

Do you have an intellectual (rather than emotional) argument why my rephrasing is somehow invalid?

Re: Uber Movement

#83

Post by kyrra »

mklarmann wrote: post #7

And I do wonder why google maps with much more data hasn't done this...

As someone else said, Google shares something similar with cities via the Waze Connected Citizen Program[0][1]. Waze publishes a list of cities that participate here[2].

I think Google can't share the traffic data it shows users as it's probably an aggregation of multiple sources, and they probably don't have the rights give away that information. The Waze CCP is an opt-in service on Waze where people can share their information and input with cities.

[0] https://www.waze.com/ccp

[1] https://support.google.com/waze/partners/answer/6372611?hl=e...

[2] https://wiki.waze.com/wiki/Connected_Citizens_Program

Re: Uber Movement

#84

Post by pfarnsworth »

wpietri wrote: post #74
synicalx wrote: post #70

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I think there's enough readily available information on how Uber operates for want-to-be drivers to make an informed decision on whether or not they should 'work' for Uber.

Try talking to some ex-Uber drivers. I don't think I've spoke with one that felt adequately informed by Uber. There may be adequate information now, but only because enough people bought in to Uber's marketing had poor experiences, and have talked about them. I also don't think "enough readily available information" is a good standard to judge commerce by. There's enough readily available information out there for su…

95% of the Uber drivers I talk to love driving for Uber.

Re: Uber Movement

#85

Post by synicalx »

kirykl wrote: post #77
synicalx wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's enough readily available information on how Uber operates for want-to-be drivers to make an informed decision on whether or not they should 'work' for Uber.

Like their predatory lease program. The terms are clear as mud for the desperate person this attracts. http://image.et.xchangeleasing.com/lib/fe9412737265067b77/m/... https://consumerist.com/2016/05/31/5-things-you-should-know-... Are pay day loan patrons really making an informed decision because the interest percentage is written on the wall?

All car leasing schemes are expensive in the long run, this one seems to fall in the middle ground - less upfront costs than most, more expensive ongoing. But the cost and repayment method is all quite clear, anyone with a few minutes and a calculator can work out if this is a financially sound option for them.

If you can't understand what you're signing then you shouldn't be signing it, very simple really. For some people this leasing scheme would be fine, for other's it could lead to financial trouble - Uber doesn't have to work that out for people.

Not sure where pay day loans come into this? Uber has some kind of once off upfront pay advance incentive thing, but there's no interest and the terms are something quite generous like 15 weeks so it's not even remotely like a pay day loan.

Re: Uber Movement

#86

Post by jayajay »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #82
vacri wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a pretty gross rephrasing of wpietri's point.

I understand that my comparison is inspiring negative emotions. But that doesn't make it wrong. Do you have an intellectual (rather than emotional) argument why my rephrasing is somehow invalid?

Please be careful, Hacker News is a safe-space. We dissaprove of asking questions which may make some people uncomfortable. When in doubt, do not ask questions. Thanks!

Re: Uber Movement

#87

Post by pfarnsworth »

kirykl wrote: post #77
synicalx wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's enough readily available information on how Uber operates for want-to-be drivers to make an informed decision on whether or not they should 'work' for Uber.

Like their predatory lease program. The terms are clear as mud for the desperate person this attracts. http://image.et.xchangeleasing.com/lib/fe9412737265067b77/m/... https://consumerist.com/2016/05/31/5-things-you-should-know-... Are pay day loan patrons really making an informed decision because the interest percentage is written on the wall?

Do you actually know anything about their lease program? The lease program is designed for Uber drivers who want to work full-time. There's no mileage limit, and it's meant to just return the vehicle, so things like residual value, etc are meaningless. Uber drivers can easily put on 70k miles in a year, something you never could do on a traditional lease. And you can walk away from the lease with a 2 weeks notice.

How exactly is this predatory? If you're only driving minimally, then it's definitely not a good deal, but it's not meant for those drivers. It's for drivers who drive full-time, ie. 40+ hrs a week.

Re: Uber Movement

#88

Post by kirykl »

pfarnsworth wrote: post #87
kirykl wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like their predatory lease program. The terms are clear as mud for the desperate person this attracts. http://image.et.xchangeleasing.com/lib/fe9412737265067b77/m/... https://consumerist.com/2016/05/31/5-things-you-should-know-... Are pay day loan patrons really making an informed decision because the interest percentage is written on the wall?

Do you actually know anything about their lease program? The lease program is designed for Uber drivers who want to work full-time. There's no mileage limit, and it's meant to just return the vehicle, so things like residual value, etc are meaningless. Uber drivers can easily put on 70k miles in a year, something you never could do on a traditional lease. And you can walk away from the lease with a 2 weeks notice. Ho…

Walk away with 2 weeks notice but will be on the hook for full lease if done after 30 days + first payment

Re: Uber Movement

#89

Post by inimino »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #78
wpietri wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a very poor understanding of what civil disobedience is. As MLK wrote, "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty. I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the…

On the contrary, Kalanick is directly appealing to the conscience of the community. Whenever regulators attempt to shut him down he appeals directly to the public: "Bill de Blasio/Shiv Sena/Telangana Taxi Association/etc wants to take away your ride!" Many in the civil rights movement also broke laws for their own profit or other benefit; they wanted the right to work any job they were qualified for, live in any neig…

Self-interest is not conscience.

Re: Uber Movement

#90

Post by fsaneq2 »

kirykl wrote: post #36
jakozaur wrote: post #2

My quess would be that Uber use it as a carrot for cities. Let Uber operate and we will give city official data and city planning tools for free.

A win win for everyone but the drivers. Sure they can quit but doesn't excuse Uber from using its negotiating power against exploiting them wherever possible.

Which is a problem why? Uber is not a charity.
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