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So you're suggesting sexism as a solution.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13320899 and marked it off-topic.
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What if that's where we're at right now? Ignorance is correctible. It's not bad if corrected (they could be part of the lucky 10,000 [1]). Perhaps woman are under a false perspective that the material is boring. With time, and experience, this might change. 1 - https://xkcd.com/1053/
Hypothetically, if you really believe the majority of women eschew computer science out of ignorance, why do you believe we should correct it? Here's how I think about it: if I invited a male acquaintance to go to a ballroom dancing class and his response was "no way, dancing is for pansies" -- should my reaction be to try to make the lessons a more comfortable environment for him? Absolutely not. If anyone were to a…
The field has an old rep. Some of it's earned. It's changing now. People are operating from old information. Correcting this information, by means of targeting marketing, might be a good thing.
Now I do see benefit for keeping the view around if it means less workers and therefore a higher wage for me, :).
I have two concerns with the ideology espoused in this article; the first is that a majority female program is lauded as "diverse", whereas a majority male program, even by a similarly small margin, is considered problematic. I don't buy the idea that any given subset of students has to either exactly match or disfavor men compared to the general population. My second concern is with the stubborn insistence that we m…
Sorry, but we've been through this tedious flamewar so many times that it's plain off topic on HN. This site exists to gratify intellectual curiosity—the polar opposite of drumming on dead horses. Those of you with a passion for nursing diversity need to find some other place to further the cause. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13241873 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
Not everything is a product of society and there's a mountain of science to support the fact. It's increasingly politically untenable (at least in the anglosphere) to acknowledge any biological differences between demographic groups, but that's weak reason for shutting down discussion.
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Sorry, but we've been through this tedious flamewar so many times that it's plain off topic on HN. This site exists to gratify intellectual curiosity—the polar opposite of drumming on dead horses. Those of you with a passion for nursing diversity need to find some other place to further the cause. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13241873 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
It's really saddening to see that the idea that humans are not a blank slate[1] is considered a "tedious flamewar topic" while articles such the one that started this thread this are not. Not everything is a product of society and there's a mountain of science to support the fact. It's increasingly politically untenable (at least in the anglosphere) to acknowledge any biological differences between demographic groups…
At some point, moderation has to be opinionated or we end up with the brown you get when all the finger paints are smeared together. Except in this case it's brown battery acid, because it's so nasty.
HN can't be for everyone. The reader who wants that type of argument should probably find some other websites.
[1] I'm giving you a "mostly" because yes, everything is ideological—I did go to grad school.
I wouldn't want my daughter working in technology for the same reasons I wouldn't want her to be a professional boxer or a coal miner. I'm a pretty tough guy, I've hunted and fished out of necessity and have had to deal with the hard consequences of a childhood lived in poverty and despair. Drug addiction, jail, recovery, I've had my fair share of time in life's gutter. Scumbags like Trump don't phase me, as I unders…
You've been a drug addict who's gone to jail and had a hard time, but even you've never seen anything as horrible as white class workers presumably looking down on other white class workers?
Is there anyone who actually buys that?
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Depending on the profession, "diversity" means black people or women. If you are diverse but don't have many women, you aren't actually diverse for the purposes of media hectoring. If you are diverse but you don't have enough black people, you aren't actually diverse for the purposes of media hectoring. Which sports field in the graph below is the most representative of US demographics? Which one would be recognized…
Let's deep dive into diversity further. Why do we want diversity? Because apparently, we want people with different perspectives and experiences. Now with "diversity", we have to specify how we split up the population into groups. We can use gender, race, country of origin, income, etc. The media and general "diversity officers" use race and gender. However, this type of group division is not efficient for the goal o…
I have two concerns with the ideology espoused in this article; the first is that a majority female program is lauded as "diverse", whereas a majority male program, even by a similarly small margin, is considered problematic. I don't buy the idea that any given subset of students has to either exactly match or disfavor men compared to the general population. My second concern is with the stubborn insistence that we m…
They're not pleased with a majority female program. They're pleased with a half-male / half-female program. They don't want it to be lopsided in either direction because they believe programming as a skill is orthogonal to sex. I think making computer science assignments and quizzes fun and less intimidating is a very different idea from the extreme of macho nursing. Your article shows that teachers were making girls…
I wonder if anywhere has tried running a female-only CS path (e.g. at a private non-coed institution) long enough to generate its own identity/culture, and then what would happen if you "transplanted" some of those teachers and students into a mixed-gender situation.
Could that "prime the pump", providing a cultural anchor point for more females in the mixed-gender place?
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It's really saddening to see that the idea that humans are not a blank slate[1] is considered a "tedious flamewar topic" while articles such the one that started this thread this are not. Not everything is a product of society and there's a mountain of science to support the fact. It's increasingly politically untenable (at least in the anglosphere) to acknowledge any biological differences between demographic groups…
The issue here is mostly not ideological [1]. It's about discussions that have been had a thousand times, never lead anywhere new—and therefore are never interesting—and always turn bilious. It's impossible to pull these weeds with full consensus but I'm pretty sure most readers of HN are bored by angry tape loops. At some point, moderation has to be opinionated or we end up with the brown you get when all the finger…
I'm no fan of angry tape loops and prefer a civil, moderated area. It's just powerful actors enforcing their politics, which seems to be getting more popular in every camp these days, is also highly undesirable. If I found that worthwhile that, I'd just stick to Chinese media.
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The issue here is mostly not ideological [1]. It's about discussions that have been had a thousand times, never lead anywhere new—and therefore are never interesting—and always turn bilious. It's impossible to pull these weeds with full consensus but I'm pretty sure most readers of HN are bored by angry tape loops. At some point, moderation has to be opinionated or we end up with the brown you get when all the finger…
Does the metric get applied evenly? I'm no fan of angry tape loops and prefer a civil, moderated area. It's just powerful actors enforcing their politics, which seems to be getting more popular in every camp these days, is also highly undesirable. If I found that worthwhile that, I'd just stick to Chinese media.
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Does the metric get applied evenly? I'm no fan of angry tape loops and prefer a civil, moderated area. It's just powerful actors enforcing their politics, which seems to be getting more popular in every camp these days, is also highly undesirable. If I found that worthwhile that, I'd just stick to Chinese media.
I hope it does and we certainly try to.