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Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by csomar »

drenei wrote: post #76
bad_user wrote: post #69

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> what if Mac becomes the standard The only way that can happen is if OS X can be licensed to third-party computer manufacturers. Most computer users just browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets. Why would they want an overpriced Mac for doing that? That's partly the reason why I once thought that Linux will overtake the market, because of its price. But apparently there are other forces that keep Win…

> Most computer users just browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets. Which is what the iPad was created to target. > your free or shiny OS doesn't mean shit if I can't run my apps on it The only application I know of where I prefer the Windows implementation to what is available for my Mac is Quickbooks. There might be other narrow verticals (CAD?) where you don't have best of breed software available…

> _hich is what the iPad was created to target._

I doubt the iPad will be as powerful as Excel and as comfortable as a desktop PC.

Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by csomar »

drenei wrote: post #76
bad_user wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what if Mac becomes the standard The only way that can happen is if OS X can be licensed to third-party computer manufacturers. Most computer users just browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets. Why would they want an overpriced Mac for doing that? That's partly the reason why I once thought that Linux will overtake the market, because of its price. But apparently there are other forces that keep Win…

> Most computer users just browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets. Which is what the iPad was created to target. > your free or shiny OS doesn't mean shit if I can't run my apps on it The only application I know of where I prefer the Windows implementation to what is available for my Mac is Quickbooks. There might be other narrow verticals (CAD?) where you don't have best of breed software available…

> _Which is what the iPad was created to target._

I doubt the iPad will be as powerful as Excel and as comfortable as a desktop PC.

Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by glhaynes »

profgubler wrote: post #75
jacquesm wrote: post #58

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I'd get a kick out of Apple if it were showing microsoft how you can be successful without pulling all kinds of (dirty) tricks. Unfortunately it looks like they are at least as bad as microsoft ever was and that the gospel according to Jobs is not that far removed from the gospel according to Gates. The one thing they've got going for them is that stuff appears to look better and works better, otherwise the new boss…

It is the dilemma of the righteous dictator. We have a dictator who is good to use, but he is still a dictator. And you are constantly afraid of the next one that you don't know.

Naw, if the next one's bad I'll just switch to Android or whatever. :)

Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by danudey »

barrkel wrote: post #68
evgen wrote: post #67

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And one day someone outside of the Apple campus is going to wake up and realize that a big bag of features is no longer enough; you have to combine them all into a seamless environment so that people[1] can actually take advantage of the cute bits of electronics you stuff into ever smaller packages. [1] By "people" I mean the 99.999% of the world who do not bother to read instruction manuals, would never use a comman…

With an Android phone you don't even need a PC (or Mac), unlike Apple's stuff.

With an iPhone or iPad, you can have it activated when you purchase it, buy music or apps wirelessly, add contacts, sync to MobileMe/Google/exchange, and do pretty much whatever you like.

I only connect my phone to my computer to do backups (because I don't want to lose my text messages), or to update apps >20MB (because I'm never on WiFi). You don't have to have a computer at all to use an iPhone. In fact, I have a friend who'd never sync'ed or backed up her iPhone once (and didn't know how to do it), and she used it without issues for well over a year before needing to do a backup.

I've never used Android, so I'm not sure what music store is available on the phone by default. Is it any good?

Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by danudey »

jaekwon wrote: post #70

A lot depends on iAds. That could be a game changer, though I don't see the profit from iAds matching that of mac/iPhone/iPad/app sales. Ugh, are we going to see iAds in addition to Google ads while browsing the web?

The numbers that have been floating around for inclusion into the iAds are in the millions. You don't get to be part of iAds unless you have serious money, so I think we can assume Apple's going to at least cover their costs.

As for seeing iAds elsewhere - perhaps, but it seems unlikely. Still, Apple's take on ads is that they want to make ads people like. The example he demonstrated, the Toy Story 3 ad, is something I can honestly see myself playing around with for a while. It's entertaining, it's involving. It's not going to be boring, garish text ads like Google ads, uglying up the page.

There's something to be said for the idea of adding taste and style back into online advertising.

Re: Why Everyone is Afraid of Apple

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Post by danudey »

csomar wrote: post #82
drenei wrote: post #76

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> Most computer users just browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets. Which is what the iPad was created to target. > your free or shiny OS doesn't mean shit if I can't run my apps on it The only application I know of where I prefer the Windows implementation to what is available for my Mac is Quickbooks. There might be other narrow verticals (CAD?) where you don't have best of breed software available…

> _Which is what the iPad was created to target._ I doubt the iPad will be as powerful as Excel and as comfortable as a desktop PC.

Numbers on the iPad (or on the Mac for that matter) will never be as powerful as Excel, if for no other reason than 99% of users don't use 99% of features.

The parent poster mentioned users that just 'browse the net or read/write documents and spreadsheets', and those types of people generally don't use most of what Excel offers. What they do use (formulas, charts, sheets, styles, etc.) Numbers does offer, and it does quite well.

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