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Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by brownbat »

matt4077 wrote: post #74
brownbat wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey has ten times Austria's population. Wasn't going to happen as long as each state gets a veto. The fears thrown around were: >10% of Austria's population is already foreign born, it would only take 1/100 Turkish citizens to double that. I like the idea of free movement of goods, money, and labor, but I think we're finding in elections around the world that once you hit that 10% foreign-born number, people tend…

Racism is pretty much anti-correlated with the local percentage of foreign-born residents. C. f. Hungary. Also, this is still fantastic: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P9e2hoDKdUU/VFGYoFE7KnI/AAAAAAAAGt...

I'd heard that in passing, but in trying to research it, the best I can find is that studies of xenophobia are all over the map and completely contradictory:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:rPNS83u...

The only thing anyone seems to agree on is that the French really hate foreign workers.

That said, I hope you turn out to be right, and the populist/nativist zeitgeist burns itself out.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by CurtMonash »

d0mine wrote: post #77
rahrahrah wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I think that crypto-ideologues (although I'm not saying that the parent is one) often underestimate the impact that the law has in practice on these matters.

You underestimate the selective use of law by the elites. How many bankers are behind bars? Do you see anybody punished for starting a war under false pretenses? for mass surveillance? for lying to Congress about it?

I think the claim was along the lines that if you want to restrict people's freedoms in this country, it's best to get a law passed allowing you to do so. That's oversimplified, of course, as is common in such online discussions, but it makes considerable practical sense.

Your claim seems focused on other categories of wrongdoing.

Now, the two areas could overlap in the future. To date, there's been a lot of illegal surveillance that has gone unpunished, but few people have actually suffered, at least in the US, because the government has been quite restrained about its actual domestic use of the resulting information.

In the future, of course, the government might not show such restraint.

By "future" I mean, for example, the period starting next January 20.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by velox_io »

the8472 wrote: post #71
benevol wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think uncensored internet is under attack in general even in the america and europe ...where the actors are more subtle and use mass surveillance to manipulate people and undermine "dissidents".

The UK is also putting quite a filtering infrastructure in place. To fight terrorism, extremists, porn, filesharing etc.

I read about this too, it sounds like a firewall to me.

Source: http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-must-be-given-po...

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by loverofcode »

eloy wrote: post #3

Events like this is the reason I operate a few Tor Bridges. It gives uncensored internet to vulnerable people in countries that are (semi-)dictatorships. The Streisand VPN includes a Tor Bridge by default, so if you ever have problems with an advanced firewall that blocks most VPN protocols, Streisand with Tor is your friend. Tor Bridges are also a nice playground for modern cryptography, they are working on PQ Crypt…

?so, does the bridge work the same as an exit?

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by toyg »

towb wrote: post #19

Nothing unexpected for the 2016 Turkey. With everything that goes on in there now, it won't be too long until something really horrible happens. Boycott everything turkish is the only thing we can do as normal persons I guess. That is at least what I've done for a long while now.

> Boycott everything turkish is the only thing we can do

That doesn't seem to work very well. It certainly didn't with with Israel, simply pushing the country more and more into a paranoid mindset of continuous siege which is effectively exploited only by hardliners like Netanyahu. Similarly, economic sanctions didn't work against the original Fascism either. Arguably they didn't work against Iran either, they barely gave "the west" a bargaining chip when the nuclear issue could not be ignored anymore. And they are not working against Russia about Ukraine.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by the8472 »

matt4077 wrote: post #74
brownbat wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turkey has ten times Austria's population. Wasn't going to happen as long as each state gets a veto. The fears thrown around were: >10% of Austria's population is already foreign born, it would only take 1/100 Turkish citizens to double that. I like the idea of free movement of goods, money, and labor, but I think we're finding in elections around the world that once you hit that 10% foreign-born number, people tend…

Racism is pretty much anti-correlated with the local percentage of foreign-born residents. C. f. Hungary. Also, this is still fantastic: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-P9e2hoDKdUU/VFGYoFE7KnI/AAAAAAAAGt...

People may just be terrible at assessing percentages. If they mentally round down 10% perception. Maybe the questions should be phrased as X out of 5, i.e. 20% increments. Or even more accurately 0-1 out of 5, 1-2 out of 5, etc.

Also, an anti-immigration stance may just be isolationism, not necessarily racism. Fear of "the other" is more general than just race.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by spaceplane »

edblarney wrote: post #80
gaius wrote: post #37

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That's a very Western attitude. Turkey is an advanced country with amongst others, a sophisticated aerospace industry. There is no reason they can't have local expertise in networking, which lets face it is simple in comparison.

"That's a very Western attitude" Yeah. Sure. Turkey can make airplanes. Great. They still need help with a lot of things. Can you name any Turkish companies that build packet sniffing hardware? That design special ASICS for this? Content filtering solutions? Specialized networking gear? Maybe, but probably not. The vast majority of countries that have 'controlled internet' scenarios cannot do it themselves, or rather…

I have actually developed deep packet inspecting firewalls in Turkey. There are both domestic and exported solutions.

ISPs are required by law to use one.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by spaceplane »

towb wrote: post #19

Nothing unexpected for the 2016 Turkey. With everything that goes on in there now, it won't be too long until something really horrible happens. Boycott everything turkish is the only thing we can do as normal persons I guess. That is at least what I've done for a long while now.

Please don't. Poorer they are, more fanatic they get.

Re: Tor blocked in Turkey as government cracks down on VPN use

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Post by spaceplane »

edblarney wrote: post #2

In my experience, these countries do not have the sophistication to do such things on their own, they usually hire (often Western) outside firms to do this. I think it would be helpful if the press would 'name names' in terms of the companies that are enabling this.

Turkey has the technology. I have worked on one.

Turkish science council gives large grants for national security related technologies. So even it is not profitable, technologies like DPI are developed by several private firms.

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