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Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#81

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Basically nobody believes in 'Flat Earth' it's ridiculous that you'd put that in there. And it's surprising how many CEO's in tech don't have a grasp of economics. Elon doesn't know what the Fed's QE program does or what it means. Watch investors speak about what they think of the future, and of business, then watch Elon, Zuck etc. speak. There's a marked difference. The investors are economically literate, and usual…

You're describing the difference between macroeconomics and microeconomics. Pretty much every successful entrepreneur I know has a very solid grasp of microeconomics, oftentimes much more solid than most economists or financiers. They don't always have a detailed understanding of macroeconomics, and many of them don't need one to run their businesses. When you can steal market share from existing incumbents, oftentim…

"When you can steal market share from existing incumbents, oftentimes with a 10x better product value proposition, then currency, interest rates, and consumer credit are rounding error."

Tesla does not have a product that is fundamentally superior to anything.

Regular car companies releasing amazing electric cars that are now 'long range' and for 1/2 the price.

Tesla's nice display and 'danger modes' are a gimmick.

They are running out of competitive advantage very quickly.

And they are missing production milestones.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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post #33

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> Musk told his wife, as they were having their 'first dance at the wedding' - that 'he's the alpha' in the relationship. Oh god if that happened... is it possible to die from cringing?

It's a smarter strategy than keeping quiet and assuming she is ok with it.

"It's a smarter strategy than keeping quiet and assuming she is ok with it."

He should have made it clear before they were married.

Not brought something so important up a) after the fact and b) during their first dance at the wedding (!!).

Chump move.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#83
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not sure why I'm being down voted. corruption - dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power. CEOs and other decision makers of companies certainly have power. Several of them have hid the side effects of their products to continue making money. I would call that being corrupt.

You're being downvoted because capitalism has nothing to do with the topic at hand. But, because I feel like tilting at windmills, I'll say this: there's nothing inherently corrupting about capitalism. Corruption is inherent to human nature and exists in socialism, communism and every other form of government ever invented. The reason for this is humans naturally sort themselves into hierarchies and people will alway…

fair enough I should have just down-voted the guy above me for saying government is innately corrupt and moved on.

The more people dismiss corruption as normal in the government the more corrupt it will be.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#84

Honest question, what does this mean for all the talk of Silicon Valley doom and gloom under Trump's presidency? Was all that just fear mongering? How do we understand this move?

This actually doesn't mean much other than publicity.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#85
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Honest question, what does this mean for all the talk of Silicon Valley doom and gloom under Trump's presidency? Was all that just fear mongering? How do we understand this move?

The doom and gloom was of course a lot of fear mongering (the Hitler comparisons grow old very quickly). Trump talked so little of policy during the campaign we really have no idea what he is going to do. That in of itself is also scary because it is an unknown. While he was not my pick for POTUS, I'm holding a wait and see attitude. Historically Trump's public views were liberal, and he leaned democrat so we'll see…

I have a problem with this comment.

Not only did Trump talk plenty about his policy ideas and followers notably chose him based on these policies, Trump's views have never been expressly "liberal".

Furthermore, plenty of people have predicted exactly how Trump would turn out. During the race, the left media continually argued that Trump would be appointing "1%ers" to his cabinet, and that is exactly what has happened.

As for his "playbook", he clearly doesn't have one, and this has been consistently stated by opponents. But he's still as predictable as any other politician. This myth that he is somehow unpredictable is absurd. It's pretty clear exactly how he intends to run this country.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#86
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Jeff Bezos is also on this "advisory team" and he's close to a mortal enemy of Trump. I predict this is no more than a sunshine squad for PR reasons. Trump met with Al Gore for many hours as well, then nominated the most ardent climate change denier as head of the EPA the next day. As long as that kind of thing doesn't change (e.g. Trump literally comes out and says, "OK, I was wrong, I finally believe in climate cha…

> he's close to a mortal enemy of Trump

He is a business man who takes business decisions. He cares not who is in the white house, provided he has access and he can benefit from this. He certainly will.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a smarter strategy than keeping quiet and assuming she is ok with it.

"It's a smarter strategy than keeping quiet and assuming she is ok with it." He should have made it clear before they were married. Not brought something so important up a) after the fact and b) during their first dance at the wedding (!!). Chump move.

Sorry I completely overlooked when it happened...wow.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#88
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Jeff Bezos is also on this "advisory team" and he's close to a mortal enemy of Trump. I predict this is no more than a sunshine squad for PR reasons. Trump met with Al Gore for many hours as well, then nominated the most ardent climate change denier as head of the EPA the next day. As long as that kind of thing doesn't change (e.g. Trump literally comes out and says, "OK, I was wrong, I finally believe in climate cha…

It seems he does pay attention to sources which "confirm" the things he already believes. Based on that, I can imagine a few unlikely but positive outcomes from these meetings.

Trump has spent a lifetime fighting contractors and trying to keep projects within budget. Maybe Musk and Bezos can persuade him to expand the use of fixed-price "space act agreements" at NASA (like those previously won by SpaceX and Blue Origin for CCDev) instead of the traditional cost-plus contracts. Trump has recently tweeted about Pentagon projects going over budget; maybe he can be persuaded to push the fixed-price model there as well.

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

#89
post #85
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The doom and gloom was of course a lot of fear mongering (the Hitler comparisons grow old very quickly). Trump talked so little of policy during the campaign we really have no idea what he is going to do. That in of itself is also scary because it is an unknown. While he was not my pick for POTUS, I'm holding a wait and see attitude. Historically Trump's public views were liberal, and he leaned democrat so we'll see…

I have a problem with this comment. Not only did Trump talk plenty about his policy ideas and followers notably chose him based on these policies, Trump's views have never been expressly "liberal". Furthermore, plenty of people have predicted exactly how Trump would turn out. During the race, the left media continually argued that Trump would be appointing "1%ers" to his cabinet, and that is exactly what has happened…

Historically his views have been liberal, even though many have flipped and flopped again [1].

The policy ideas appear in hindsight to be inflaming rhetoric. Make deals, build a wall, and deport people in the US illegally. The funny part is that those things are exactly what is happening today. Maybe the deals will be different, but there is already a fence across large parts of the Mexican border (fun aside, Obama and Hilary voted yes for it as senators[2][3]), and under Obama more people have been deported than ever before[4]. So really, no change.

Appointing DC elite and/or 1%ers to cabinet positions is basically par for the course. Maybe Sanders would have appointed more normal people?

I hate being put in a position to defend Trump because I think he also has tons of problems. But, this is who we have for the next 4 years so I'm going to watch what happens and hope it's more good than bad.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/09/th...

[2] http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/aug/15/d...

[3] https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2006/s262

[4] http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/...

Re: Trump Names Elon Musk, Uber CEO to Advisory Team – TheHill

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post #89
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a problem with this comment. Not only did Trump talk plenty about his policy ideas and followers notably chose him based on these policies, Trump's views have never been expressly "liberal". Furthermore, plenty of people have predicted exactly how Trump would turn out. During the race, the left media continually argued that Trump would be appointing "1%ers" to his cabinet, and that is exactly what has happened…

Historically his views have been liberal, even though many have flipped and flopped again [1]. The policy ideas appear in hindsight to be inflaming rhetoric. Make deals, build a wall, and deport people in the US illegally. The funny part is that those things are exactly what is happening today. Maybe the deals will be different, but there is already a fence across large parts of the Mexican border (fun aside, Obama a…

You don't have to defend Trump if you don't want to.

1. WP article reads like a "top 10" clickbait article. Only a few things in that list are accurately associated with economic or social liberalism. Liking Hillary Clinton doesn't make you a liberal, for example. The press thing at the end is also absurd.

2. Being right about Hillary Clinton's wall thing doesn't make you a liberal. I don't know why you included this.

3. ??? See #2.

4. Once again, Obama or Hillary being less "liberal" doesn't make Trump more liberal.

>The policy ideas appear in hindsight to be inflaming rhetoric. Make deals, build a wall, and deport people in the US illegally. The funny part is that those things are exactly what is happening today. Maybe the deals will be different, but there is already a fence across large parts of the Mexican border (fun aside, Obama and Hilary voted yes for it as senators[2][3]), and under Obama more people have been deported than ever before[4]. So really, no change.

and

> Appointing DC elite and/or 1%ers to cabinet positions is basically par for the course. Maybe Sanders would have appointed more normal people?

Yea, which is the point: he is actually totally predictable, and like I said, the junk about him being hard to predict is nonsense. You said he was unpredictable... but now you're disagreeing with yourself? I'm super confused on what you're trying to say.

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