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Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by nilkn »

basch wrote: post #67
jjawssd wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spez has already weighted that subreddit so it rarely shows up on the front page. Why hasn't he outright deleted the subreddit?

/r/all is not the front page. t_d is not a front page default subreddit. people should not visit /r/all if they dislike seeing the firehose. or get gold and use filters and strengthen your filter bubble walls.

This is what confuses me the most. t_d never shows up on my front page because I'm not subscribed there.

If there's a significant amount of content you don't want to see, why are so many people choosing to look at /r/all?

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by [deleted] »

mordocai wrote: post #75
kiba wrote: post #40

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If they can't voice their opinion in a respectful manner, I don't see why we have to listen to their garbage. Every site in the world, if they don't want to be a cesspool full of trolls and baiters, will have to moderate.

One of the big problems here though is thing like twitter's recent behavior(I'm using twitter as an example but other sites do it too). You can say something hateful, disrespectful, and even threatening to/about a white person(or people) and twitter doesn't care even if you are reported. However if you say the same thing about/to a black person (or people) [literally the same sentence with only those words switched o…

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Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by h4pless »

Since when has a company enforcing their TOS been discussion worthy? Their content policy clearly outlines what is considered "Unwelcome Content" and it seems like the majority of the alt-right thread would be classified as "Violent Content" under Reddit's terms.

I think a much more amusing enforcement of such policy would be for Twitter to ban Donald Trump, thereby also banning the @POTUS account for the term of his Presidency for "Abusive Behaviour" on Twitter such as openly harassing the cast of Hamilton.

https://reddit.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205701105 https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy#section_unwelcome_... https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by ProAm »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #26
ProAm wrote: post #23

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> Just because you disagree with their opinion does not mean you should want to kick them out I don't see why the admins don't just edit the posts? No need to ban things.

Ha ha, good one. Wasn't Reddit CEO's ass on fire recently for doing exactly that?

Yeah, that was the joke. Reddit can do what it wants, its sort of a cesspool anyways, banning 1 or 2 subreddits won't change it.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by mordocai »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #77
mordocai wrote: post #27

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Technically you are 100% correct. They are definitely within their rights, as are twitter and facebook. The problem is that we've got a de facto (as opposed to de jure) "censorship" system going on where people with undesired opinions are being forced (whether they wanted it or not) into echo chambers. "Censorship" just forces people underground to talk amongst other people with the same opinions. While it has some k…

You have a good point about driving people underground, instead of giving them an outlet - but as the article points out, > Like the mod said in his own words, they are not interested in public policy, they are focused on white nationalist racial discussion. To continue on that course without steering into hate speech is impossible.

I don't see the article's point as a good one.

Unless they are literally calling for people to take action and kill/harass/otherwise harm people I see no reason to "censor" them. From what I've seen, most of that subreddit is hating on other races(which definitely is hate speech) but not calling any real action. I also don't consider calling for legitimate political action to be worthy of "censorship" either, only going outside the political system to directly harm.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by basch »

nilkn wrote: post #81
basch wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

/r/all is not the front page. t_d is not a front page default subreddit. people should not visit /r/all if they dislike seeing the firehose. or get gold and use filters and strengthen your filter bubble walls.

This is what confuses me the most. t_d never shows up on my front page because I'm not subscribed there. If there's a significant amount of content you don't want to see, why are so many people choosing to look at /r/all?

People want /r/all to be a community of stuff they like, without stuff they disagree with. Those people seem to disagree with the idea of a content agnostic platform. How would those people feel if gmail stopped delivering ultra left liberal emails.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by fao_ »

Shanea93 wrote: post #63
fao_ wrote: post #28

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See, the problem with all of this is that they get the 'left-wing' people to fight for them. These people have not lost anything but an outlet to abuse people, and spread their sexist, racist philosophies (If you disagree with this, try reading through Breitbart without being disgusted at the contents). Do not worry. These people still have their freedom of speech, they are free to spray paint swastikas in bathrooms…

But why should we not fight for them? I am just as angry about the thought of us being censored as I am of the thought of them being censored. It doesn't matter whether what they say disgusts me or not, I don't have the right to not be offended. People often use Reddit to find news, I believe that Reddit should have a duty to provide that service in an unbiased way without inflicting their own views on the people who…

> All they should care about it is "is this illegal?"

In many countries, the UK included, many of the posts on the fascist subreddits are illegal.

> But why should we not fight for them?

Because the value of life should be held to higher value than the 'destruction of free speech' (Except Reddit isn't doing anything to their free speech, they're denying them a platform. Which is objectively different). These people quite literally stand for genocide.

> I don't have the right to not be offended

Yes, yes you do. That's part of free speech, isn't it?

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by basch »

kiba wrote: post #40
mordocai wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically you are 100% correct. They are definitely within their rights, as are twitter and facebook. The problem is that we've got a de facto (as opposed to de jure) "censorship" system going on where people with undesired opinions are being forced (whether they wanted it or not) into echo chambers. "Censorship" just forces people underground to talk amongst other people with the same opinions. While it has some k…

If they can't voice their opinion in a respectful manner, I don't see why we have to listen to their garbage. Every site in the world, if they don't want to be a cesspool full of trolls and baiters, will have to moderate.

are mockery and satire respectful? what does that make Stewart, Colbert, Bee, Meyers, and Oliver? how about SRD and SRS? they are assholes too but they deserve their space to mock people they disagree with. should /r/atheism be banned for its disrespect towards religion? /r/atheism has the same fervent hate towards people of belief.

you dont have to listen to those subreddits. dont subscribe to them. dont hang out in /r/all if you cant handle seeing things you disagree with.

you just called other peoples views a cesspool of garbage, and youre advocating respect.

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by Shanea93 »

fao_ wrote: post #87
Shanea93 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why should we not fight for them? I am just as angry about the thought of us being censored as I am of the thought of them being censored. It doesn't matter whether what they say disgusts me or not, I don't have the right to not be offended. People often use Reddit to find news, I believe that Reddit should have a duty to provide that service in an unbiased way without inflicting their own views on the people who…

> All they should care about it is "is this illegal?" In many countries, the UK included, many of the posts on the fascist subreddits are illegal. > But why should we not fight for them? Because the value of life should be held to higher value than the 'destruction of free speech' (Except Reddit isn't doing anything to their free speech, they're denying them a platform. Which is objectively different). These people q…

I live in the UK and wholly agree, the Public Order Act 1986 makes it very clear where it stands on hate speech, and yet I disagree with it, the same as I feel about the Snoopers Charter and other such laws. Freedom of speech should be granted regardless of who is offended by your speech, you should have the right to say exactly what you want, I have the right to think you're a dick head for saying it, but you should still be able to say it.

I'm not condoning threatening behaviour or violence, I'm just saying that I believe that if someone wants to call be a ginger bellend, they should have the right to do that.

Freedom of speech should be defined as such: Free speech and the right to freedom of expression applies to ideas of all kinds including those that may be deeply offensive.

The trick behind it is that your speech here may be offensive to the far-right, does that mean that you would be okay if they passed a law saying it was illegal?

Re: Reddit Gearing Up to Ban or Quarantine the Alt Right Subreddit

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Post by DanBC »

jjawssd wrote: post #8

If Reddit can not handle free speech, Voat will. Once Voat is overrun by the enemies of free expression, someone else will take the helm and continue. Such is the nature of a free Internet.

Voat won't get taken over by the enemies of free expression. That's not how it'll fail. Voat will fail because there's a lack of people to harass on voat, and you're not allowed to use voat to brigade other services.
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