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Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#81
The CEO edited comments critical of him.

Did that happen in the golang subreddit?

If so, those comments should in fact be deleted entirely. Criticizing the CEO of Reddit is not topical in a golang subreddit; it is off-topic trolling.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

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post #21

> That is so beyond unethical and immature, I no longer want anything to do with that site. I will be deleting my account on Reddit after backing up my content, and I will no longer be a moderator of /r/golang. Responding to immaturity with immaturity is a bad idea altogether. I have never understood Google's choice of "use google groups" for projects, then farming out community relations to third parties like StackO…

Why do they use Google groups anymore? The UI sucks, it is heavily moderated. Reddit is like democracy where the elites of the community are treated equally with the others. Even the author's comments can be collapsed. name one place on the internet where this happens, except reddit.

A knee jerk reaction, we want the subreddit back!

p.s. after the Google Pixel thing, I do hope that they don't shut my google account down because I am saying that google groups sucks by citing some hidden rule or something.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not be smart, but it definitely is not stupid as you might have insinuated. Individuals deciding to exit because they disagree with company policy (editing content and apologizing) is one thing, forcing others, who don't care about stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories, to do the same is entirely something else. (that something else is borderline despotic)

Again "stupid internet drama and conspiracy theories" this is not. An admin abused their power. It's ripe for abuse and they've proven they're willing to abuse it and not mature enough to treat that power respectfully. I have a hard time respecting a company with someone like that as CEO. No conspiracy, no politics, just what happened.

Then leave. Don't use the site.

How is this a big deal?

If you're not comfortable with a platform then by every means, don't use it.

...but why does what you think mean that everyone should be affected?

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a /r/golang user, but I think this is a political statement of 'we will not tolerate the abuse of users by people entrusted with their data', which I think is fair. Maybe they should just call for the CEO to leave or something.

Except this is the admins making the statement, potentially taking their ball and going home - leaving a lot of people on the court wondering what to do next.

I wonder how dramatic this really is? There must be a hundred forums to discuss go, people aren't so helpless they can't find their way off of reddit.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#86
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you inserted the word "Russian" there.

It's a long running joke on the sub after being constantly accused of being bots (and probably bots created by Russian hackers closely working with Trump.)

Looks like a strawman used to dismiss (legitimate or not) concern from other users.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#87
I was the one who proposed deleting /r/golang. It is not some official Go or Google position.

As much as I used to love Reddit and was addicted to it, my personal position is that Reddit is no longer a trustworthy platform (if it ever was).

Editing user content is beyond offensive. I never even considered such a thing in my years of running LiveJournal. That is a major violation of user trust and trust in the platform.

If Github or Gerrit or Google Groups or Google's SMTP servers were modifying our code or mailing list content, we would ditch them in a heartbeat.

We shouldn't demand less from Reddit.

But because I learned that /r/golang existed 7 years ago (before I or other Googlers were even involved with it), I no longer propose deleting it. But I think the Go project should disassociate from it and give it back to the community as an unofficial space, as it used to be.

It's just too unreliable of a platform to be official in any regard.

Now I'm brainstorming how one might build a federated Reddit with public, signed mutation log, ala CT or other chains. And then multiple UIs could render the same public & federated data set.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#88

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I have no opinion whatsoever in this controversy about the golang sub. But I'd like to call out something in particular about the point you're making: I see this kind of reductionism to what's "technically possible" a lot around here in regards to security and user trust. Let's go back to meatspace to get a more balanced perspective perhaps. Your mailman can read your mail and steal your packages. Your bank can steal…

Why in the world would this incredibly insightful comment be downvoted? It sums up the argument perfectly.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#89

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

>The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. Many comments.

And what were the changes like? Curious.

Re: Deleting the golang subreddit

#90
post #74

This is asinine and it going through would seriously harm how mature I assumed the community around Golang was (actually reading through those posts already did, but either way I guess I'm just one person right?). The CEO edited a comment and admitted he edited it, and it was stupid, and he shouldn't have done it. I'm 100% sure there is a way for someone at any given platform they'd choose to replace it with to acces…

I bet that the CEO of Google would have a very difficult time, if even possible, editing individual emails sent or received with gmail, editing YouTube comments, etc.

You are correct.
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