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I'd be very interested in your explanation of the joke. Please elaborate in as much detail as you can.
The joke is we're primates too, and human females do this all of the time, you can see this in the motif of two heros(one "good" and the other "bad") fighting for a female, "golddigger" being most of the time attributed to the female, to the psychological game called "Rapo" where a female entices a particular male's attention so that another male would fight the first male, and so an and so on. The joke is believing…
Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
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#82So female aggression is more likely a social aggression, a more civilized agression that is also perhaps sometimes expressed into violence via their male counterparts.
But this seems to be rare as humans females across the world are in general not aggressive. On the contrary they have been victims of extreme male aggression for thousands of years. Human males are extremely aggressive and violent towards others males, females and the world.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be very interested in your explanation of the joke. Please elaborate in as much detail as you can.
The joke is we're primates too, and human females do this all of the time, you can see this in the motif of two heros(one "good" and the other "bad") fighting for a female, "golddigger" being most of the time attributed to the female, to the psychological game called "Rapo" where a female entices a particular male's attention so that another male would fight the first male, and so an and so on. The joke is believing…
You seem to want it both ways: you assert men are naturally violent, women are naturally manipulative, therefore we should accept this state of affairs and not be dishonest about it. At the same time you want us to reject the idea of rape culture, even though inherent in your assessment of men is an acceptance of exactly that.
Has it ever occurred to you that Political Correctness acts as training wheels for people who are exhibiting bad natural behaviours? And that this might be a good thing? We teach our children to have good manners, to share and to curb their violence. Of course, no adult wants to be treated as a child, but if there is a social consensus that somebody is infantile, then it seems appropriate to have a mechanism to put manners on them. That consensus is far from punitive. For the most part it doesn't restrict individual liberty.
Many contrarians and "rugged individualists" I know seem to fear that we will fall into a kind of group-think if we allow PC ideas to develop. This it seems to me is just the despair of autocrats. It's our social consensus. We get to form it together. But just saying "PC Crap" doesn't work. We live in a big complex society. It's going to just get more complex.
Many smart people are bored and repelled by these arbitrary social rules - I get that. But your natural repulsion is overcoming your judgement. These are systems. They can work well or badly. Contribute to them to support your values.
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#84Hope your armor isn't impairing your movement too much.
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#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
You can do the work for yourself and search HN. I'm not going to sift through it all. If you're actually interested in knowing, take a few minutes.
You do it. You're the one making the claim. I've been on HN like 8 years and I'm wondering what you mean too.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think he means restricted to humans. In the animal kingdom you have uncommon scenarios such as seahorses where the male caries the fertilized eggs or spiders where many times the male is just eaten by the female.
If he means that human females evolved to extract resources from males it is also reductionist. Females were not hunters, but they were harvesters and growers. I think he is implying that females could not get resources because they took care of the offspring and the male got them. This is also wrong, evidence of early human settlements point that females took care of the offspring while harvesting and growing crops.
They also performed the most dangerous activities because women are reproductively far more "valuable".
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#87curious because your profile says
> created: 16 days ago
Thank you for confirming you are using a sock-puppet account!
(Edit: While apparently using your main account to down-vote. Classy!)
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? Are the female monkeys being disingenuous with their attentions or are they sincere? When I read some of the criteria for manipulation on Wikipedia [0] it seems to me like a pretty high bar to show these sorts of behaviours in monkeys. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulation
> Is this really manipulation or is it just sexual selection for bravery/aggression/dominance? What's the difference?
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
If he means that human females evolved to extract resources from males it is also reductionist. Females were not hunters, but they were harvesters and growers. I think he is implying that females could not get resources because they took care of the offspring and the male got them. This is also wrong, evidence of early human settlements point that females took care of the offspring while harvesting and growing crops.
True but the vast majority of protein intake was provided by males. They also performed the most dangerous activities because women are reproductively far more "valuable".
Re: Female monkeys use wile to rally troops
#90Males have evolved to extract resources from the environment. Females have evolved to extract resources from males.