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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by choko »

vertex-four wrote: post #16
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

How Trump won is a different question from whether Trump's voters are directly responsible for the harm that will be caused to minority groups in the next 4-8 years. Hillary can be an awful candidate and Trump's supporters can have caused harm towards people on the basis of race and gender - it's not an either/or.

You make these statements as if they are a certainty. If you would step from the echo chamber for just a moment, perhaps you might see that many of the accusations thrown at the Republican candidate were trumped up by the media. I'm optimistic that he's not half as bad as CNN would lead us to believe.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by choko »

k__ wrote: post #56
ilolu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

The thing is, anxiety or dis-enchantment and racism and sexism aren't mutally exclusive. If you vote for someone how is racist and sexist, then you are part of the problems that racism and sexism are. Sure you vote for diffrent reasons, but you effectivly say "It's okay to be a racist as long as you help me to feed my kids"

Your reasoning works equally well when referring to Hillary Clinton.

If you vote for someone that only serves her own interests and uses disenfranchised minorities as a stepping stone for personal power and flaunts rules that the rest of us would be put on trial for breaking, then you are part of the problem that corruption, bribery, and dishonesty are. Sure, you vote for different reasons but you effectively say "It's okay to step on everyone in your path, lie, and cheat, as long as I get what I want."

It doesn't sound like a fair argument now, does it?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

yolesaber wrote: post #50
Joeboy wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are swatiskas with Trump 2016 spray-painted in Philly. Maybe I'm a naive British guy, but aren't those more likely to be an anti-Trump statement?

Unfortunately, Trump is extremely popular with white nationalists so no, these are actual nazis. Pretty gross. http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/clout/400560361.html?mobi...

Yup

https://www.google.pt/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/san-fran...

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by choko »

moyta wrote: post #48
yolesaber wrote: post #42

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Trump wants to overturn Roe v Wade. Pence wants conversion therapy for LGBTQ people. How about you get your fucked up politics away from my body?

Why do these conservatives want to legislate people's bodies in the first place, it seems highly unAmerican to me & screams of a nanny state like the USSR. If I want to fuck guys or gals or dress like a he, she or a schlee that should be none of the government's business. It affects no one else, and legislating people's private lives is just a great way to destroy American families and waste taxpayer money. I also be…

I'm pro choice, but the conservative objections around abortion center around the life of the fetus, not the body of the woman carrying the fetus. To them, the fetus is a life which the mother is obligated to protect, just as if it were an actual child.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by k__ »

choko wrote: post #82
k__ wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing is, anxiety or dis-enchantment and racism and sexism aren't mutally exclusive. If you vote for someone how is racist and sexist, then you are part of the problems that racism and sexism are. Sure you vote for diffrent reasons, but you effectivly say "It's okay to be a racist as long as you help me to feed my kids"

Your reasoning works equally well when referring to Hillary Clinton. If you vote for someone that only serves her own interests and uses disenfranchised minorities as a stepping stone for personal power and flaunts rules that the rest of us would be put on trial for breaking, then you are part of the problem that corruption, bribery, and dishonesty are. Sure, you vote for different reasons but you effectively say "It…

Your reasoning implies there is only Client and Trump.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by antisthenes »

travmatt wrote: post #21
dev360 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently switched to Wall Street journal and I have been impressed by their reporting on politics. I felt like they reported objectively on this election, at least to the point where a bias was not distinguishable. Their tech news are also really good - you end up reading lots of stories that will be on the front page of HN throughout the day.

Business journalism typically comes with less partisanship when it comes to reporting politics. But my partisan, naive assumption would be that they cover subjects like TPP, the DAPL, and social security privatization from a very biased point of view.

"Politics may come and go, but Greed goes on forever."

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

yolesaber wrote: post #55
ilolu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be s…

>But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy.

No. That's YOUR definition of the common man. Their definition of the common man is themselves, a person who have lost his job, because all the companies in his town have sent all the jobs oversea.

This election has nothing to do with racism. For many Trump supporters, having a job so you can feed your family is the most important issue. You're attributing too much to the racism stuff. Just because racism is an important issue for you doesn't mean Trump supporters cares about it.

They just wants their jobs back.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

yolesaber wrote: post #75
Omnius wrote: post #61

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Trump's election != racist america. I voted Johnson because i couldn't stomach voting for trump and there was no way i was going to vote for Hillary. The Dems could have run literally ANYONE other then her and they would have had an easy win. Same goes for the Rep's they could have run anyone (well maybe not cruz) other than Trump and had an easy win against Hillary. Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trum…

>Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it. But they still did it. They still voted for an outspoken racist and sexist. They voted for a man who wants to register every Muslim in a database. What does that say about them?

>They voted for a man who wants to register every Muslim in a database.

But the NSA already registered every Americans in a database. It would be racist to exclude Muslims from it. We must be inclusive in our surveillance of U.S. citizens.

>They still voted for an outspoken racist and sexist.

Accusation without evidence. Not an argument.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

k__ wrote: post #85
choko wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your reasoning works equally well when referring to Hillary Clinton. If you vote for someone that only serves her own interests and uses disenfranchised minorities as a stepping stone for personal power and flaunts rules that the rest of us would be put on trial for breaking, then you are part of the problem that corruption, bribery, and dishonesty are. Sure, you vote for different reasons but you effectively say "It…

Your reasoning implies there is only Client and Trump.

You believe Hillary supporters are wrong and you are right.

Hillary supporters believe you are wrong and they are right.

That you see, is the problem.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by DefaultUserHN »

k__ wrote: post #59
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

> people value other things more than just sexism and racism I think the point is, that most people have a rather extreme picture of being a sexist or racist. No you don't have to run around and rape women to be a sexist No you don't have to shave your head and batter blacks to be a racist. It is enough if you simply accept people being that way. And if you voted for Trump you didn't just accept that he is sexist or…

Falsely accusing Trump and Trump supporters of being racist was the reason why Trump won the Primary.

Doubling-down on the racist accusation was why Trump proceeded to win the President.

Now, you're going to triple-down on it?

LOL. Some people never learn.

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