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Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

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Post by danielheath »

dmuth wrote: post #67
unreal37 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still not a good sign that it took this level of public attention to get you to reply to the active community on their urgent needs.

^ this. There is absolutely no reason to not be answering emails, even if to say, "I'm really swamped, and need help." I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: hoarding admin rights so that only you have them and no one else can get any work done is simply not acceptable in a team environment. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look through other projects you may be involved with, and make sur…

There is absolutely no reason to expect volunteers to owe you their time or responses.

I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: demanding work from others without putting in the hard yards yourself is simply not acceptable.

Going forward, I would recommend taking a look at your written communication, and make sure that you are being fair and kind.

Good luck.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#82

Post by dman »

achou wrote: post #52
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #41

Coverity makes a shitload of money off FindBugs. It's annoying they don't contribute back while my organisation pays their most expensive license.

Um, Coverity contributes a lot to the open source community through Scan[1]. While Coverity does incorporate Findbugs results, it also has its own analyzer that does much more interprocedural analysis and tends to be tuned better for fewer false positives and more accurate error messages. Historically at least, part of the reason for incorporating Findbugs was to make it easier to directly compare what Findbugs found…

Please release a solution for indie developers / solo developers.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#83

Post by amaranth »

sdegutis wrote: post #5

Interestingly, the spirit of the FindBugs project lives on in the development of languages like Rust and Swift, considering the purpose of the FindBugs project is to fix inherent flaws in Java, e.g. not having a way to determine whether something will be null, or not telling you whether you checked whether something will be null at runtime, etc.

I think if you could say that about any language it'd be Kotlin. It seems to take all of the best practices guidelines from Java and just bake them in to the language.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#84

Post by aub3bhat »

danielheath wrote: post #81
dmuth wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. There is absolutely no reason to not be answering emails, even if to say, "I'm really swamped, and need help." I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: hoarding admin rights so that only you have them and no one else can get any work done is simply not acceptable in a team environment. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look through other projects you may be involved with, and make sur…

There is absolutely no reason to expect volunteers to owe you their time or responses. I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: demanding work from others without putting in the hard yards yourself is simply not acceptable. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look at your written communication, and make sure that you are being fair and kind. Good luck.

I don't know why you are being downvoted, but I agree with you. The level of entitlement expressed on this forum is off the charts. This behavior is reflected in this case or in case of RethinkDB or any other startup which is closing down, where the frame of mind or needs of the people who build/maintain are secondary to those of customer/users. Its quite a paradox.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#85

Post by enraged_camel »

danielheath wrote: post #81
dmuth wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

^ this. There is absolutely no reason to not be answering emails, even if to say, "I'm really swamped, and need help." I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: hoarding admin rights so that only you have them and no one else can get any work done is simply not acceptable in a team environment. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look through other projects you may be involved with, and make sur…

There is absolutely no reason to expect volunteers to owe you their time or responses. I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: demanding work from others without putting in the hard yards yourself is simply not acceptable. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look at your written communication, and make sure that you are being fair and kind. Good luck.

He didn't demand "work", he simply pointed out that hibernating or abandoning a project many people have come to rely on without arranging for others to (at least temporarily) take over is irresponsible and causes a lot of frustration.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#86

Post by aub3bhat »

kylebrown wrote: post #79
erikb wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must have paid 4 digits or more for his services then? Otherwise I think you can't demand any attention at all and be happy if you receive it.

According to the website, FindBugs was partially funded by a couple of NSF grants. So US taxpayers did indirectly pay for his services.

Thats ridiculous reasoning, grants pay for research, not for maintenance of software.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#87

Post by grzm »

aub3bhat wrote: post #86
kylebrown wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the website, FindBugs was partially funded by a couple of NSF grants. So US taxpayers did indirectly pay for his services.

Thats ridiculous reasoning, grants pay for research, not for maintenance of software.

Depends on the grant.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#88

Post by lukeschlather »

enraged_camel wrote: post #85
danielheath wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is absolutely no reason to expect volunteers to owe you their time or responses. I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: demanding work from others without putting in the hard yards yourself is simply not acceptable. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look at your written communication, and make sure that you are being fair and kind. Good luck.

He didn't demand "work", he simply pointed out that hibernating or abandoning a project many people have come to rely on without arranging for others to (at least temporarily) take over is irresponsible and causes a lot of frustration.

Answering emails is work. It's also often a lot harder than it sounds at first blush.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#89

Post by rincebrain »

nstj wrote: post #68

I just had a quick look at the repo and I'm not particularly familiar with the project but what's the issue with just doing a hard fork if there are enough people who want this to keep going?

This is addressed in the link, but basically, the extant codebase is extremely crufty, to the point that a rewrite would be the suggested course forward (and, indeed, the other formerly-active major contributor started his own clean codebase to implement similar functionality).

So one of the two active contributors left to start his own rewrite of the project, and this post is the other active contributor saying he definitely doesn't have enough time to keep doing this on his own.

If there's no association with the old project's name or references from it to the new project, then whatever came from it would probably not use the name "FindBugs", and either way, the original project ends up dead.

Re: FindBugs project in its current form is dead

#90

Post by junkster78 »

dmuth wrote: post #67
unreal37 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still not a good sign that it took this level of public attention to get you to reply to the active community on their urgent needs.

^ this. There is absolutely no reason to not be answering emails, even if to say, "I'm really swamped, and need help." I don't mean to denigrate you, but I must be candid here: hoarding admin rights so that only you have them and no one else can get any work done is simply not acceptable in a team environment. Going forward, I would recommend taking a look through other projects you may be involved with, and make sur…

Totally agree. Even worst, the community has already forked and is getting aligned behind https://github.com/spotbugs/spotbugs, his reappearance puts FindBugs in a very dangerous place. It either stays forked, with split efforts and APIs diverging forward, or it's shutdown to trust Bill again and hope for the best.

I for one have lost all trust on his ability to lead the project after such long absence, and the fact that he only reappeared after this hit HN, and only to respond here, to me is an indication he cares more about what people may be thinking / saying of him, than the well being of FindBugs.

I fear, the only way for FindBugs to stay alive, is for Bill to do what he probably should have done a long time ago: step down.

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