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Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by johanneskanybal »

kyberias wrote: post #74
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is your premise correct though? Will you need to move your head up and down? Isn't the touch bar will be in your field of vision? Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision I'd say yes I'd have to move my head up and down. I haven't had a chance to play with the new MacBook Pro yet but it seems like a reasonable assumption. > Even if your premise is true, is it better to move your head up and dow…

> Considering zero part of my keyboard is in my field of vision Zero? Is that even possible? When using a laptop, it's impossible to look at the display without being able to also look at the keyboard (and touchbar) by just moving your _eyes_. You don't have to move your head. I think your assumption is not reasonable at all.

That's probably exactly how the argument went at apple. However, doing dev without any external screens or keyboard is the exception not the norm. If tou are already bending your neck like that day to day then sure you have bigger problems.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by cel1ne »

grzm wrote: post #53
awalGarg wrote: post #48

So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

"So I have to move my head up and down all the time." I believe that for the use-case of Touch Bar as slider, it has similar behavioral characteristics as a trackpad. Do you use a trackpad? Or a mouse? Do you find yourself moving your eyes back and forth between the screen and the trackpad or mouse? Honest questions. I'm not trying to be snarky :) As for custom keys, I think this has more in common with chording/key…

Regarding kyboard shortcuts Mac OS HIG Guidelines says:

> Avoid using the Touch Bar for tasks associated with well-known keyboard shortcuts. In general, the Touch Bar shouldn’t include controls for tasks such as find, select all, deselect, copy, cut, paste, undo, redo, new, save, close, print, and quit. It also shouldn’t include controls that replicate key-based navigation, such as page up and page down.

(https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/Us...)

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by madeofpalk »

awalGarg wrote: post #48

So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste...

Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4

Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by grzm »

cel1ne wrote: post #82
grzm wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So I have to move my head up and down all the time." I believe that for the use-case of Touch Bar as slider, it has similar behavioral characteristics as a trackpad. Do you use a trackpad? Or a mouse? Do you find yourself moving your eyes back and forth between the screen and the trackpad or mouse? Honest questions. I'm not trying to be snarky :) As for custom keys, I think this has more in common with chording/key…

Regarding kyboard shortcuts Mac OS HIG Guidelines says: > Avoid using the Touch Bar for tasks associated with well-known keyboard shortcuts. In general, the Touch Bar shouldn’t include controls for tasks such as find, select all, deselect, copy, cut, paste, undo, redo, new, save, close, print, and quit. It also shouldn’t include controls that replicate key-based navigation, such as page up and page down. ( https://de…

Thanks for the reference to the HIG. To be clear, I was using Undo/⌘-Z as an example of how I think about keyboard shortcuts as command rather than the specific keystrokes. I wasn't suggesting that Undo should have a place on the Touch Bar.

Besides providing the reference, was there something you intended to convey with the quote?

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by johnhenry »

madeofpalk wrote: post #83
awalGarg wrote: post #48

So... just about the touchbar and not this particular project: The touchbar is on the keyboard, almost perpendicularly (and many times at an obtuse angle) opposite to the screen. So I have to move my head up and down all the time. This is not an issue with the regular keyboard because it has physical buttons which don't change their meaning, so I have memorized the layout and I can use my muscle memory. To avoid movi…

Steve Jobs, in 2008, on why touchscreen iMacs are bad http://www.technologizer.com/2008/10/14/my-question-with-ste... Steve Jobs, in 2010, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeNsqqKadQ4 Jonny Ive, last week, on why touchscreen laptops are bad https://www.cnet.com/special-reports/jony-ive-talks-about-pu...

Steve Jobs, in 2003, on why tablets are bad http://thenextweb.com/apple/2013/10/11/hear-steve-jobs-convi...

Apple stood by this conviction until they started selling iPads. It's likely that they will maintain their position against touchscreen laptops only until they can make a reasonable profit selling them. I speculate that the reason for Apple not currently producing them, more than anything else, has to do with the fact that touchscreen laptops would cut into iPad sales.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by squidi »

mirkules wrote: post #72
idlewords wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be legal to murder someone for touching your laptop screen. I can't think of a bigger co-worker foul than that. Making a screen that people are supposed to touch would be an unthinkable crime.

Smartphones and tablets undid years of training on my coworkers to stop touching my screen. I just gave up and now always keep a microfiber wipe or rag next to my screen.

How can we explain these people that like to point at a laptop screen with a pen? I'm mortified every time I see it.

Re: Nyancat on the touchbar

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Post by Aldo_MX »

tdkl wrote: post #87
m0dest wrote: post #8

To evoke maximum outrage, you should show AdMob mobile banner ads on the Touch Bar. First app to do it wins a free press cycle.

I can think of something worse https://twitter.com/AdamWhitcroft/status/791718192506953728

We can bring memories back, who needs Internet Explorer when your keyboard has an integrated toolbar?

https://twitter.com/cfieber/status/792030673963851776

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