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Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

#81
These types of ads or product pages will only appeal to individual users. Ineffective.

Try convincing the thousands of companies that have their engineers working on macbooks. It is way more efficient to have everyone on a team use the same OS and hardware (for obvious reasons) therefore I don't think Apple is even phased at all with these Microsoft comparison tactics.

Maybe the ecosystem will change in the next 10 yrs. After all, history does repeat itself. For now, I'm sticking with my macbook for home and my company issued macbook for work.

"Turning and turning in the widening gyre".

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My biggest complaint about Windows, from a pure usability stand point, is the fact that I have yet to find anything close to a functional multi-desktop app. There used to be something as part of XP powertoys (it performed badly as I remember it) but I have yet too see anything since then. Ignoring most of the philosophical issues, that alone makes the platform a non-starter as my daily driver. I tend to use desktops…

If by multi-desktop you means virtual desktops, then you are in luck. Virtual desktops are a built-in feature of windows 10 [1].

[1]: https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/04/16/virtu...

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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this was the opposite of 20 years ago - sure, you can do loads on macs, except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem. shoe's on the other foot now. if MS had done a better job in mobile, there'd be more reason to target windows for regular joe consumers, but they lost that market (for now anyway?). :(

> except build visual basic apps for the windows ecosystem Parallels/BootCamp?

asp.net core 1 is cross platform, using visual studio code you can now build lots without visual studio... but not older enterprise projects of course and or visual projects.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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Unless you are a mobile developer and your clients always want iOS apps.

Well, you kinda pegged your fate and future to Apple by choosing to worked into their locked ecosystem right? It's not like it was an accidental choice, you knew that you'll have to buy whatever Apple serves you in whatever form they want as long as you want to service that platform.

Yeah, its alright though, its much more enjoyable to web development to me.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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My biggest complaint about Windows, from a pure usability stand point, is the fact that I have yet to find anything close to a functional multi-desktop app. There used to be something as part of XP powertoys (it performed badly as I remember it) but I have yet too see anything since then. Ignoring most of the philosophical issues, that alone makes the platform a non-starter as my daily driver. I tend to use desktops…

Windows 10 has multi-desktop built right in.

Well now, I hadn't seen that mentioned anywhere! Interesting ... I'll have to take another look at win10 then ...

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

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As an industrial designer, Ux designer, and a programer I have found anything "Microsoft" (hardware or software) offensive to my sight, taste, touch, ears, and soul. I'm a Mac user at home and in the office, mainly for application development. BSD Unix under the hood just makes my life as a programmer feel more integrated. I'll have to look at the Linux CLI on the Surface and see how I feel. Most importantly, I love…

For what it's worth, as just a plain user of computers, I personally find Microsoft's industrial design way more appealing to my sensibility than Apple's industrial design.

I prefer:

* Smaller radius corners. The Mac and iPhone have always appeared too rounded.

* Less tapering. I like that the Surface Book's contact surface (no pun intended) is basically its entire area (notwithstanding the rubberized feet). I don't like that the Macs taper inward. I think Apple corrected this on the newest MacBook Pro, however.

* Less visual emphasis on the keyboard. I don't like the Mac's dark keys on a silver plane. I prefer that Surface Book's keyboard matches the metal color.

* Less obnoxious branding. I like that the Surface Book has just a reflective Windows logo on the back and no branding on the front. I have never liked the glowing Apple logo on Macs and I applaud Apple for ditching that. But for 2016, they added a big "MacBook Pro" on the bottom edge of the screen which is also tacky.

* This one is a particularly big pet peeve: a chamfered edge for the track-pad that matches the width of the trackpad. I've never understood why the chamfered edge on the MacBook is so narrow. I like not having a sharp edge digging into my wrist even when I am a bit sloppy with my arm positioning.

That's saying nothing of the software. But to be brief on software, I am so happy that Windows is (slowly) providing a dark look and feel. Applications that use the latest Microsoft design thinking look great to my eye. Admittedly they are very slow at bringing old apps up to snuff—there are a number of legacy apps that still look as they did on Windows 8 or earlier. MacOS has always looked too "bubbly" to my eye.

My personal laptop is a Surface Book, though I use a workstation for normal day-to-day work.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

#87

Man, it seems everyone is chomping at the bit to take Apple's customers after that awful keynote.

Which is hilarious because they all miss the mark. Winning the Designer/developer crowd is about applications and software.

The Adobe Creative Suite is available on Windows. I don't see that being a major impediment.

And developers keep insisting that all we use is Vim and a terminal, which you can do just as well with Linux Services for Windows.

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

#88
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Can't wait to try debugging on a touch bar and needing to look at the bar if I am indeed touching the right operation. I don't want to end up with a remapping where I need to press Fn + number to get Fxy function key. Better IMO would have been if every Fxy key had its own customizable OLED/e-ink display; then I would be "awesomed" by this innovation. Even with a separate touch bar on top of it. All real DJs use prop…

I would like both the touch bar AND the function keys, but the touch bar will be more versatile than just OLED/e-ink displays on top of keys. You can actually use it as a slider. You get more surface area to display controls. You can offer something more than just a symbol for the controls. I don't know how well it'll work (none of us do, it's not shipped and reviewed yet, not fully at least). But the potential for m…

As an addition to Fxy keys I am fine with it. Replacing Fxy keys like what Lenovo did to their X1 Carbons with their "Adaptive keyboard" ended up angering too many developers (though to be honest it was also Windows/Lenovo SW issue as you had to do some registry hacks to add apps that were supposed to use active keyboard and this ended up super inconsistent). Also, some people say touch bar is a poor man's touchscreen as by adding touchscreen you won't need a touch bar and it would be more flexible (though I prefer my screen without fingerprints everywhere).

Re: Surface Book – It’s Easy to Switch from Mac to Surface

#90

The image on the top of the page seems to feature a 2nd gen macbook pro (the one before retina display). Hmm, a bit shady...

I think that is intended to represent your "current" laptop that you need to replace. The premise being you have an older one and want to consider some options other than the 2016 MacBook Pro.

Lower down the page they show something newer.

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