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Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by CaptSpify »

evo_9 wrote: post #75
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making. It's easy to think manufacturers ignore what the market wants but this is rarely the case. The phones being offered are more or less what people are asking for.

Is that true? The way I see phones being sold aren't because people are choosing one feature over another, it's they have to live with the best "set of features". Usually this means they are stuck choosing the less-terrible phone, rather than a phone that they actually want.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by cocktailpeanuts »

evo_9 wrote: post #75
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

Your personal needs are vastly different from the actual market; otherwise what you desire would be more aligned with what manufacturers are making. It's easy to think manufacturers ignore what the market wants but this is rarely the case. The phones being offered are more or less what people are asking for.

I am pretty sure the market wants more battery life than "no bezel design", if they thought rationally, and was made to choose only one.

It's rather because of the return on investment. From a company's point of view they want to invest as little effort as possible to generate as much effect as possible. Going from 8 hour battery life to 10 hour wouldn't turn the needle for most people, but having a sexy design or a cool new feature would.

So even if they make a breakthrough making a thinner battery, they would rather use that space to pack something else in, instead of making the battery last longer.

People do want longer lasting batteries. In an ideal world the companies may make that happen, but in a real world where there's competition, that's not easy.

This is clearly a different issue from "what the market wants". In reality, you don't always get what you want.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by tdkl »

cbr wrote: post #63
dingo_bat wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> better imho than Google Pixel That's not saying much at all.

I had thought people we're pretty excited about the new Pixel phone? Like http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/18/13304090/google-pixel-pho... etc. Or am I just in a bubble as a Google employee, where I hear disproportionately good responses to our stuff?

Perhaps excited before it came out and the price was announced. Also The Verge != people.

It's a great Android phone, but since iPhone costs the same and they've upped the ante with i7 this year (stereo speakers, waterproofness), there's not much pro points toward the Pixel. Support stays the same, two years of update, one extra for security and then you're dead in the water, compared to 4-5 years with iPhone.

Unless you really love the Google bubble with AI and data collection.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by Drdrdrq »

teekert wrote: post #74
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

The latest flagship phones feature those things. You are more a MotoG, perhaps Experia compact type of person. No problem, just ignore the flagships and get on with your life.

I can vouch for Xperia compact, and my needs are similar to his. Decent battery life (almost as good as with old dumb phones), not much crapware (compared to Samsung that is), android support for older phones. I think X3 just lost its updates (with X6 available).

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by ksk »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #65
mhurron wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First thing I do with any phone is put it in a case. Bezel-less is irrelevant to me, I'm going to put one in place. 'Thinnest phone ever' is similarly meaningless to me for the same reasons. I don't want a phone that feels like I'm going to snap it in half simply by using it.

iPhone user? Because I've never had the need to put a case on any of my Android phones, including me and my wife's $150 Moto G3s that get thrown around by our kids. And I do get quite some amusement out of a product praised for it's premium design, materials and svelte features always being carried in a thick ugly plastic/silicon bumper case by essentially everyone.

That's a moot point seeing as there is a large demand for cases for all kinds of smartphones. Most people I know use a case. Last time I checked, it was something like >50% of all smartphone users.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by baldfat »

usaphp wrote: post #73
LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

> "replaceable battery" Can you tell me what is a practical use of a replaceable battery, I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all. > "weight" Heavier phones directly impact usability and even handling in your pocket, holding it while reading…

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Also if in 2+ years you decide to change a battery I doubt you can find an original batter, and will end up with a cheap knockoff which might not work at all.

All batteries go bad. Science

I always go over the 2 years and for $20 I can buy a Duracell Battery that gets me back to the original life. Lithium Batteries Apple or not ALL Lithium batteries last about 300 to 500 charges.

"Rechargeable Lithium-Ion batteries have a limited life and will gradually lose their capacity to hold a charge. This loss of capacity (aging) is irreversible. As the battery loses capacity, the length of time it will power the product (run time) decreases." http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/tektronix/LIBMG.pdf

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by nogridbag »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #48

Things I don't particularly care about in a phone: - Bezel size - Weight - Thickness - Manufacturer-specific apps and skins - Screen resolution beyond that of my eyes - Fastest possible processor Things I care about in a phone: - Ability to make calls - Battery life - Replaceable battery - Fits in my pocket - Expandable storage - Durable - Decent camera - Inexpensive - Gets security updates And what do the latest pho…

Bezel size does matter. For example, the Xiaomi Mix is the same size as the iPhone 7 plus while having a much larger display:

https://xiaomiprime.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/cvmy91svmaip...

But I tend to agree with most of these points. I personally wish the new Pixel phone was more like the Moto Z Play.

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by kbenson »

usaphp wrote: post #80
kbenson wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've had iPhones for many years and battery does not go bad. Sometimes it's not about going bad, it's about quick recharge. You can have a backup battery charged and ready for a quick swap. There are portable batteries that charge your main one now though, so the need for this is somewhat mitigated.

Since his comment mentioned that he does not care about weight and thickness then batter cases is a perfect solution for that, it's easier to purchase a battery case then an original replacement batttery

Well, in fairness, I think the original comment was meant more to imply that small changes to make it slightly faster, lighter and thinner weren't that important (but a few iterations of that can add up, so I think it's important, even if I don't always opt for that in my new purchases), not that they didn't matter at all. That said, a battery charger is superior to a replacement battery in that it doesn't require a restart, it may be large enough to recharge more than once, it can charge many types of phones/devices, and it can have a nonstandard shape. It's inferior in some ways as well, since it requires being attached for some period to charge the original phone (which can be impractical or annoying in some circumstances).

Also, another important aspect of a removable battery is that some people like it for privacy. If you can't remove your battery, you can't really assume your phone is truly "off". Even if you can, if you really care about that, you would wait a while to make sure any small internal batteries/transistors have used what power they could hold. Other than that, I'm not sure of a way to ensure the baseband processor isn't on[1].

1: http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_syste...

Re: Xiaomi unveils concept phone with near bezel-less display

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Post by pweissbrod »

neals wrote: post #4

Without the bezels, all our phones will look the same. We'll be holding a slab of pixels with some OS, with some voice-activated assistent, with some apps. More or less the same. Even more so than now.

What is the problem with that?

If the sole purpose of a bezel becomes a place for displaying the logo of a maker or carrier, screw that I'll only consider phones without the wasted space.

I dont think you still get cool points anymore for showing everyone you have an iphone

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