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Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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I've worked in both Europe and the US, and in my opinion, US workers are far worse off for it. You earn more money in the US, you can advance faster, but you have next-to-no vacation time (and even when you do, you're still often expected to be reachable by e-mail), maternity/paternity leave is pitiful, and you have to pay large health insurance premiums, amongst other things. I know that isn't the case for everyone,…

some of us love work.

When I was in my late 20s and early 30s I worked all the time - I loved it! At some point though I became disillusioned with work. There was always more of it, and it was primarily for someone else's benefit. If you're working for yourself I can see a stronger case for putting in those hours, but you still risk seeing those years go by in a haze of largely undifferentiated time sitting behind the keyboard, or what have you, with likely little reward at the end. It's possible to have a work-life balance, still enjoy your job and be productive, take vacation, etc. Work can become a soulless endeavor, just as pursuing wealth for its own sake.

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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How happy are they working that extra 25%? They are richer, sure. But I don't think being rich is an indicator of your overall state. Looking at [1], you can see that people in european countries come out on top of the happiness index. One could argue that working less is actually better for productivity and overall happiness. [1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/these-are-...

In most cases is not like they (the Americans) have a choice to work less hours. Vacation time in North America is significantly under the European norm.

Right. The articles aren't suggesting that Americans choose to work themselves to death, only that it's culturally acceptable. In most salaried office jobs you could set a hard stop at 5pm and refuse to answer calls on weekends, but you'd find yourself quickly replaced by someone who would. So you "choose" to put in the extra hours so you don't find yourself unemployed.

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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Where is "we"?

Is there any other developed nation where you pay $300 a month for health insurance and it doesn't cover you for the first $10,000 of expenses?

Have anything beyond hyperbole?

The highest healthcare costs per capita:

US $8,713 Switzerland $6,325 Norway $5,862 Netherlands $5,131 Sweden $4,904

Expensive yes, but not extreme compared to some of the other richest European countries.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2015/11/14/24-7...

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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Is that doing the dollar conversion at pre- or post-Brexit prices? It's now 20% worse than it used to be. I'm not in London, but I'm seriously considering sniffing around for jobs which can be done with transatlantic remote working. Sadly that's a rare and oversubscribed option :(

Timezone issues are probably much of an impediment when it comes to remote employment (over the pond)

(My data point is it's not a problem if your boss is hands off and your peers are hands on online)

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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And you can still do that in Europe, no one is stopping you from working more. And even better, as you have more free time, you can use it for your own projects.

> And you can still do that in Europe, no one is stopping you from working more. Well, unions do. But that's a good thing, it prevents a race to burnout.

Does that actually apply to every field? I've only worked briefly as a software developer in Germany and not full time, but I never got the impression that unions would realistically stop anyone in that field from working till midnight. If you are working as a factory worker for example that's of course a totally different story. However, I doubt that people in that kind of job regularly decide to put in a few extra hours on some days and are usually on the clock.

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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I'm not sure why you think that European workplaces are stricter than US workplaces, or that US jobs are generally laid back.

I didn't say I think that. If anything, I hinted at it as a possibility worth considering (not phrased as extremely as "US jobs are generally laid back"). It should be looked into if you want to put things in perspective. In Germany business culture is certainly one of more intense focus, at least in office jobs. Not that it's representative of the whole Europe, of course. Still, raw numbers don't say the whole story…

I understand that different things are different, but you seem to be appealing to the law of averages.

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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I find it astonishing how positive Bloomberg tries to spin this: People earn a wider range of incomes in the U.S., so “workers have an incentive to try harder to move up the job ladder because a promotion is worth more,” said Dora Gicheva -The income range in the US is so large that there are lots of people at the bottom end who have to work multiple jobs. How much does that have to do with the longer work hours, Blo…

> I find it astonishing how positive Bloomberg tries to spin this

Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNzXze5Yza8

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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Higher earning workers in the US work more hours than lower earning workers.

"Between 1979 and 2002, the frequency of long work hours increased by 14.4 percentage points among the top quintile of wage earners, but fell by 6.7 percentage points in the lowest quintile."

There are insinuations in this thread that the reason Americans work more hours is because the working poor have to work long hours to make ends meet. However, "There was no increase at all in work hours among high-school dropouts," from 1979 to 2002.

Americans working long hours is increasingly a higher income phenomenon. Which means those workers have more disposable income they could trade for shorter hours if they chose to.

http://www.nber.org/digest/jul06/w11895.html

Re: Americans Work 25% More Than Europeans, Study Finds

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I would love to live and work in Italy (or any other Mediterranean climate country), but there are simply no [tech] jobs. And what few software jobs there are are not interesting at all and pay very little. I value my time and I am willing to take a pay cut to live in Europe, but the jobs are not simply there. Why can there be no middle ground? For now, the plan is to work hard and retire early. Real estate price cha…

You can definitely find tech jobs in Portugal and Spain, mostly in Lisbon and Barcelona. They will not pay the same as in Germany, the Netherlands, UK or here in Sweden but you can live very comfortably with a tech salary there, so there's middle ground.

Italy unfortunately doesn't really have a well developed tech industry as far as I know.

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