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Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Serious question: whose WiFi is not working, to the degree that they think, "I really need to get a modern router to make this Internet thing actually work." I'm seeing about a dozen fancy modern wifi routers all trying to solve a problem I'm not sure exists.

This isn't about Internet. It's about streaming video.

It's about slowly caching the top 100 YouTube videos and then moving them quickly to whatever device you want to watch them on.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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I'm surprised nobody here has yet questioned the wisdom of allowing Google access to literally all of your internet traffic. This is actually a commercial product that you pay money for, so maybe they're all aboveboard here, but with Google's history of trying to get as much personal data as possible about everybody makes me unwilling to trust them with something like this.

On a different note, is there any reason why someone should prefer this to Ubiquiti's AmpliFi? Unlike Google, Ubiquiti has a long history of making networking gear. The only obvious benefit I see right now is Google Wifi starts at $129 for one unit whereas AmpliFi starts at $199, but that $199 includes 2 "mesh points" and presumably to get the same effect with Google Wifi you'd have to shell out $299 for the 3-pack.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #78

I'm a little concerned that an android device is listed as _required_... i would hope all functions of the wifi devices can be configured/administrated from the web or just an internal browser pointed to the device(s).

There is no Web interface; you really do have to use the app.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apartments can have this issue - where I live there are 50+ access points visible and even with the router directly next to our streaming device I cannot stream Netflix HD (75 mbps plan with Comcast). edit Not saying that Google's system fixes this but some users require nicer routers for that connection. I should note my actual computer gets an ethernet because I can never achieve on wireless what I can on wired!

This wouldn't solve that problem. Switching to Ethernet or finding a free channel (good luck) is the only solution.

Not the only solution technically, put up grounded metal wall panels or wire mesh on the walls. Mounting tape/nail them on the walls if you live in an apartment.

https://www.google.com/search?q=metal+wall+panels&source=lnm...

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my NYC apartment, the physical WAN connection is in a rather unfortunate location. There's no good spot to place a router in the center of the apartment, and no unobtrusive way to run cable there if there was such a spot. As a result I have to choose between a wifi dead zone in my bedroom, or a strategically located repeater. I've chosen the latter. If I lived in a less dense area, in a wood-framed house of the sa…

Unless you have lead walls, a ~1000 sq ft apartment should be fully covered by a single access point. The problem in NYC is that there's just too much band crowding; adding more access points is only going to provide an improvement (if any at all) until everyone else does it, too, and then it's going to be worse for everyone. We really need better solutions for extremely high-density deployment of competing WiFi netw…

The walls may not be a primary problem, but they do contribute. The simple test (which I've done) is to stand either side of a wall and check the signal. With an unobstructed line of sight to the router the signal is acceptable; on the other side of the wall the signal is poor (dropped ping packets, high latency, etc.). I doubt it's because of the additional 1 foot of distance from the router.

But to your point, I'm sure it's all interrelated and if I had concrete walls with no neighbors it would be significantly better.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my NYC apartment, the physical WAN connection is in a rather unfortunate location. There's no good spot to place a router in the center of the apartment, and no unobtrusive way to run cable there if there was such a spot. As a result I have to choose between a wifi dead zone in my bedroom, or a strategically located repeater. I've chosen the latter. If I lived in a less dense area, in a wood-framed house of the sa…

Unless you have lead walls, a ~1000 sq ft apartment should be fully covered by a single access point. The problem in NYC is that there's just too much band crowding; adding more access points is only going to provide an improvement (if any at all) until everyone else does it, too, and then it's going to be worse for everyone. We really need better solutions for extremely high-density deployment of competing WiFi netw…

Going 5Ghz is definitely a step in the right direction. Not only does it provide greater bandwidth for more channels but the reduced range actually helps avoid interference.

The downside is that you might need more access points to achieve equivalent coverage. Forming a mesh, like these Google APs do, is useful for avoiding additional wiring.

The beam-forming features present in 802.11n and 802.11ac also help reduce interference.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #42

Lots of vendors already offer this. It's pretty standard for commercial WiFi units. It's just slightly more expensive than dumb routers. * Eero: https://eero.com/ * Ubuquiti: https://www.ubnt.com * Cisco: http://www.cisco.com (sized for larger buildings) Does this new Google device come with the Google Fi feature which backhauls all your traffic to Google via a VPN?

Also Portal Wifi: https://portalwifi.com/

This was started as a kickstarter campaign and they have just begun shipping out the first units.

Like the Google APs, Portal can form a mesh and automatically figure out which channels have the least interference.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #16

Despite their claims of being designed for user privacy, I'm wary of anything Google puts out. What information does it report back to the mothership?

I'd suggest unless Google's providing a fully open source solution, you should never trust them enough to purchase a networking device from them.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #2

I just bought an OnHub last year. WTF Google?!

> I just bought an OnHub last year. WTF Google?! Do you get upset when a new phone is introduced a year after you bought your last one? A new car?

The problem is Google sells products like the OnHub with indications that more is coming. It was strongly hinted that the OnHub was going to be the center of Google's soon to come Google Home solution.

Of course, those of us seasoned with the experience of buying Google products before should know better, but it really doesn't change the fact that people who bought it are absolutely right to feel upset.

Re: Introducing a new kind of Wi-Fi system

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post #83
post #78

I'm a little concerned that an android device is listed as _required_... i would hope all functions of the wifi devices can be configured/administrated from the web or just an internal browser pointed to the device(s).

There is no Web interface; you really do have to use the app.

Well, that's a deal breaker. I don't own an Android device. There's no excuse for not providing a web interface.
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