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Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#81

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Aren't Google acquihire offers conditional on passing the usual Google employee screening process? I ask this not to be negative, but out of serious curiosity. Say your employer is bought by Google - are you axed because you slept poorly and couldn't prove Fermat's Last Theorem on the whiteboard in 15 minutes?

I don't know about Google, but I've heard of this happening during other acquisitions. A friend of mine with a Ph.D. in CS worked at a startup that was just acquired. He was responsible for the a lot of the tech in the platform they were acquiring, yet since he didn't pass their algorithms heavy interview they didn't want to hire him. He ended up working for one of the other companies interested in buying the startup…

Lol wut? This can't be serious. Can you please name this company so everyone can avoid them?

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#82

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I don't know about Google, but I've heard of this happening during other acquisitions. A friend of mine with a Ph.D. in CS worked at a startup that was just acquired. He was responsible for the a lot of the tech in the platform they were acquiring, yet since he didn't pass their algorithms heavy interview they didn't want to hire him. He ended up working for one of the other companies interested in buying the startup…

Lol wut? This can't be serious. Can you please name this company so everyone can avoid them?

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Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#83
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> And does s/he actually, y'know, have to do any work after getting paid? Yes, they're called "golden handcuffs". You basically get a compensation package so good that it'd be stupid to leave. Usually they try to get you to stay 3-5 but YMMV.

And what of the ones that don't get brought on? Do they get anything for their equity typically? For key employees i can see them sticking around, but early hire support staff that may not be needed could still have considerable equity.

Most startups use double trigger acceleration for vesting. The first trigger was the acquisition and the second was the termination (not offered a position). So they would vest their entire equity grant.

Of course that implies that the equity is worth anything. Most acquihires are at low multiples so the VCs tend to take the entire price, leaving founders and employees with nothing.

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#84

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I don't know about Google, but I've heard of this happening during other acquisitions. A friend of mine with a Ph.D. in CS worked at a startup that was just acquired. He was responsible for the a lot of the tech in the platform they were acquiring, yet since he didn't pass their algorithms heavy interview they didn't want to hire him. He ended up working for one of the other companies interested in buying the startup…

Lol wut? This can't be serious. Can you please name this company so everyone can avoid them?

Snapchat does this when they try to acquire companies.

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#85

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And what of the ones that don't get brought on? Do they get anything for their equity typically? For key employees i can see them sticking around, but early hire support staff that may not be needed could still have considerable equity.

Most startups use double trigger acceleration for vesting. The first trigger was the acquisition and the second was the termination (not offered a position). So they would vest their entire equity grant. Of course that implies that the equity is worth anything. Most acquihires are at low multiples so the VCs tend to take the entire price, leaving founders and employees with nothing.

Even in low multiples typically the VCs creates a decent incentive for the founders to stay at the acquired company (otherwise the acquihire will fail), but they aren't getting filthy rich.

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#86

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For AI engineers is 10M per engineer. http://www.recode.net/2016/9/17/12943214/sebastian-thrun-sel...

Are you guys distinguishing between what the buyer pays and what the engineer gets? To put it another way: if you personally promised the engineer $5 million (vesting over 3 years) they may switch. This means the buyer must see some value in the company over and above the engineers. (IP? Customers?)

The engineers are not getting that obviously, it depends on how much equity they have and the difference between the amount of VC money pumped into a company and the final sale price of the company. VCs often get 2x preferred stock (at the minimum - it entitles them to 2x what they invested). This is before anyone else is allowed to see a dime. Every term sheet is different of course.

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#87
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Users honestly should know better by now.

...should know better than to use products and services online? Your comment is as toxic as the acquihire culture itself, and only makes users feel less "part of the internet" when companies treat them as disposable.

Should know better than to be locked into products and services online. Buying a hairdryer from Amazon is one thing, as the hairdryer is 'immutable' but relying on a product for a workflow at work or your day to day life and having it pulled is a danger. That's why I'd use Jira or MS Word over something offered by shiny new startup. Even better use markdown files on your local drive. Back it up at Dropbox sure but make sure it is backed up somewhere else too(!).

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#88

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Lol wut? This can't be serious. Can you please name this company so everyone can avoid them?

Snapchat does this when they try to acquire companies.

Hilarious. We've reached a place where a doctorate in CS is an insufficient qualification to delete a fucking file.

Re: Api.ai is joining Google

#89
post #56

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Aren't Google acquihire offers conditional on passing the usual Google employee screening process? I ask this not to be negative, but out of serious curiosity. Say your employer is bought by Google - are you axed because you slept poorly and couldn't prove Fermat's Last Theorem on the whiteboard in 15 minutes?

> I ask this not to be negative, but out of serious curiosity. And yet you referred to it as "BS" and provided a sarcastic example in the same post. I'd say your attempt not to be negative and to sound serious failed.

The term "BS" should appear far more often in "serious" discourse. Far too much of what is currently being passed around as "serious" is, in fact, BS.

And that wasn't sarcasm!

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