But I'm still a paranoid lunatic because I don't want to smear my picture all over the web and give my every scrap of data away for the dubious benefits of Facebook or Twitter...
Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
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Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#82But I'm still a paranoid lunatic because I don't want to smear my picture all over the web and give my every scrap of data away for the dubious benefits of Facebook or Twitter...
Hear, hear! I'd suggest some sort of paranoid lunatics' support group, but none of us would show up.
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't use Facebook at all and don't miss it.
Neither do I, but as I've described at tedious length here a couple of times recently, I do miss the social life I had a few years back, and which opting not to sign up for Facebook cost me. It would be really great if the choice not to use Facebook did not often entail serious negative consequences. For one thing, I'd be a lot less annoying on the subject. Unfortunately, that happy state of affairs does not appear t…
> I do miss the social life I had a few years back, and which opting not to sign up for Facebook cost me
You don't know if it was "opting not to use Facebook" that lead to decline in your social life, because you didn't test whether "being on Facebook" would not have lead to decline in your social life.
(I've seen many articles that state exactly the opposite - that people who have less social interactions spent more time on Facebook.)
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#84TLDR#1: The investigation still didn't reveal exactly how this happened. TLDR#2: The recommendation to "prevent" these issues on the individuals side is, "Lisa’s medical community has started recommending that patients concerned about privacy not log into Facebook or other social media accounts at medical offices, or even leave their phones in their cars during appointments. " This is about as practical as recommendi…
So basically don't install Facebook or Whatsapp try to use the Facebook website if you can or better yet don't use Facebook at all on your phone if you value your privacy. It's sad that we are at this stage but it's mostly our fault for being so complacent with companies doing these kinds of things. If people stopped using their service when they did these kinds of things they would change their behaviour really quic…
An individual's data sharing with Facebook is less of the issue, here, though. You personally not using it doesn't prevent you from becoming the common thread that ties others together.
Just because I'm not on Facebook (I'm not), anyone that's allowed Facebook to see their own contacts, in their phone or email, has shown that they are or are not connected to me in some way. Without me actually ever even having an account with Facebook they can correlate this data from users to see who is likely to know one another by a shared connection to me. Just because my particular node on the relationship tree has more blanks than it would if I was a Facebook user does not mean I don't create a node at all.
My guess for this Facebook issue in particular is that the Doc potentially did absolutely nothing herself, but rather all of her patients had mail and phone contact lists that included her and that common thread along with the same geographic area was enough to trigger a recommended match. In other words, this was equally likely to happen even if the doctor never had a Facebook page of her own.
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would like to have more constructive suggestions to offer, too. It's not a simple problem, though, and it will not be quickly solved. Threatening Facebook employees (doxing people is a threat) does not seem likely to make anything better.
Well, facebook is "doxing" non-members by virtue of shadow profiles and by encouraging to tag everybody in the pictures. Counterintelligence could be a valid way to keep democratic society.
The cases aren't parallel. A shadow Facebook profile exists that describes me, but it would be absurd to imagine that Facebook will use this information to, for example, send a SWAT team to my house to perform a forced entry - something which has been known to result from the kind of action here discussed. If you make available the necessary information for 4chan and like ilk to do such things, 4chan and like ilk may very well then do so, simply because to do so will briefly amuse them. Is that something for which you're comfortable with the idea of being responsible?
Don't get me wrong. I have no love whatsoever for Facebook, and I would very much like to see a world where no Facebook does or even can exist. But there's a difference between recognizing the problems that result from Facebook's existence, and imagining Facebook and its employees to be deliberately inflicting such problems on people and thus deserving of threatening, even violent, action in imagined response.
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
By the way anyone has a link to the full transcript/video? I can only find the cut version (and iirc there was something else between the trusted friend question and the quote, but all videos online have a cut/voiceover in between which is kinda suspicious). (I seem to remember the "it" in the quote meant putting information online / publicly available, no the "something" that you don't want anyone to know)
The "it" in the quote meant, "if you're going to commit a crime, don't tell Google about it. If you tell a big company all about your plans to commit crimes, don't be surprised when the cops come knocking." Schmidt has a way of saying reasonable things using the most offensive and misinterpreted language ever.
You never know, things you consider normal today might become retroactively punishable tomorrow. Maybe you "offend" someone on-line who in the future becomes powerful figure and they might bring vengeance on you or your family.
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The other tricky thing is, even a single lapse in forgetting to turn the phone off, or bringing it with you is enough to undo all vigilance ever. I don't see it as feasibly, especially for people that are anxious or distracted by something more important on their mind.
You know, it really says something about our industry that our preeminent modern accomplishment requires everyone to choose, blindly and unaware, among effective social nonexistence, espionage-grade opsec, or the kind of radical transparency that no one but maybe a performance artist would even have contemplated just a few years ago.
Effective social nonexistence? Come on. As someone who does not use Facebook and Twitter, yet miraculously has an active social life, I find your dichotomy to be false.
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#88The phonebook hypothesis seems most plausible to me (especially considering that WhatsApp is owned by facebook). All those apps gaining access to a phonebook is a privacy disaster.
This is almost certainly the "phonebook" hypothesis. If Lisa has her phone number associated with her Facebook account and either Lisa or the client has the others phone number in their smart phones contacts and the Facebook app installed that relationship can pop up in people you may know. If there aren't good "people you may know" suggestions the ones you get can end up being "people who may be known to people you…
> What Lisa (and anyone else with a professional responsibility to protect client privacy) need to do is to stop associating the phone number they give to clients with Facebook or other social media.
Understanding how Facebook connects different people might help prevent this from happening, but as Facebook's tech becomes more advanced/pervasive Facebook will need to provide an explicit feature to protect user privacy for situations like this. As it stands, the implications of sharing your phone number, location, etc are already far from explicit.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Neither do I, but as I've described at tedious length here a couple of times recently, I do miss the social life I had a few years back, and which opting not to sign up for Facebook cost me. It would be really great if the choice not to use Facebook did not often entail serious negative consequences. For one thing, I'd be a lot less annoying on the subject. Unfortunately, that happy state of affairs does not appear t…
> I do miss the social life I had a few years back, and which opting not to sign up for Facebook cost me You don't know if it was "opting not to use Facebook" that lead to decline in your social life, because you didn't test whether "being on Facebook" would not have lead to decline in your social life. (I've seen many articles that state exactly the opposite - that people who have less social interactions spent more…
Actually, I do know. Rather than rehearse again the means by which I know, let me refer you to the two most recent times I've done so:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12009198
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12362818
(Maybe it's necessary to point out that I'm aware of the possibility that all the apologies I ever received on this subject were lies. I'm aware of the possibility that all the apologies I ever received on this subject were lies. Given that no evidence exists to support that conclusion, parsimony would require it be disregarded even were I otherwise inclined to imagine that all my friends actually hated me and didn't want me around, and were willing and able to deceive me by presenting the impression of sincere regret for having forgotten to include me.)
I'm still working on a better metaphor than that of an abusive relationship; while that one speaks strongly to me, my experience suggests it does not do so to others, which renders it useless for my purposes. Any suggestions you might have to offer on a more effective replacement would be welcome.
Re: Facebook recommended that a psychiatrist’s patients friend each other
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
You know, it really says something about our industry that our preeminent modern accomplishment requires everyone to choose, blindly and unaware, among effective social nonexistence, espionage-grade opsec, or the kind of radical transparency that no one but maybe a performance artist would even have contemplated just a few years ago.
Effective social nonexistence? Come on. As someone who does not use Facebook and Twitter, yet miraculously has an active social life, I find your dichotomy to be false.
Some social groups do not communicate outside of a single service.